Saw it on Facebook but so far only Thursday and Friday listed. This is where they fail in comparison to parx, borgata, etc with their blogs. Still a good value though

Bottom line guys...Harrah's or Sugar Rush? I am coming to town this weekend. Looking for a little NLH 3-5. Probably sit for a few hours per night, have a drink or two, and get back to the hotel. Which one should I hit? I am staying in King of Prussia for location reasons.

Definitely not this ****box of a room. Sugarhouse 100%. I assume you meant 2/5 and Sugarhouse is the move my friend. Actually for anything it is. Just read back in this thread and you'll see.GL

I'm in town from Pittsburgh. I play 4-8 Limit does that ever go in either room?

Nope, but 2-4-6 Limit does during high hand times.

This is posted on BravoPokerLive: Harrah's Philadelphia Poker rakes only $1 @ $20 for your promotional fund in all Hold'em games for a possible maximum rake of $5.

Does this mean the rake is now $4+$1 for all no limit hold'em games?

No. If you look closely it says $6 max rake.

Who wants to 1/2 PLO? trying to get a steady game 1 or 2 nights a week


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You should check the Bravo app, the 1/2 PLO has pretty much been running every day at Delaware Park

Or Parx the 2/2 every day.


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Long post, scroll down for cliff notes if you want.

I suppose the fact that this hasn't been posted in for a month shows the resignation the players have to a terribly-run room.

I would be interested in hearing from anyone who was part of tonight's disgrace to the end of the Sunday 4/2 11:30 AM flight to Diamond Delight IV. Not that anyone is surprised by this anymore but we had several major issues tonight that frankly, are mind-blowing that a room would allow to happen.

We got down to the final two tables of a very grueling tournament. 147 entrants, playing down to 14 people to return from this flight on Day 2. Right about when the number hit 18 players (last two tables), all hell started to break loose.

First there was a kid at my table who got tilted when he called off someone's all-in with AQ to a guy's AA. It's at the point where everyone is short-stacked and I get why he called at this stage in the tournament--he didn't want to go into Day 2 with no chips. Anyway he started verbally berating the floor, hurling below the belt personal insults to one floor guy in particular, and shoved chips back at the dealer when the dealer was trying to count out the stacks to award the guy with AA the pot. He then went on over and over and over about what a "stupid f---ing tournament" it was given that we were still there playing with shallower and shallower stacks just for the purpose of playing down to 10%. Then for a solid 15 minutes the guy decided to sing loudly to whatever he was listening to. Floor did not give this guy a warning or take any action.

That all said, I do agree with the merits of his complaint because while it's a selling point that if you come back on Day 2 you're in the money, Day 1 can really degenerate into a "crapshoot" if you insist on playing down to 10% at all costs. People suggested make it either 10% or a certain level (like level 16), whichever comes first. We didn't get out of there until level 21 where the blinds were 2K-8K-16K with an average stack size under 200K until the final players were eliminated.

A big reason we went to level 21 is because the floor in their infinite wisdom went hand for hand when it was down to 15 people but did not stop the clock; therefore anyone could totally abuse the situation (and the one guy did) by sitting on his hand forever and hoping someone from the other table busts in the interim. I have never heard of hand for hand without stopping the clock and then taking off 90-120 seconds after each hand.

But it didn't end there. Before the tournament started, whoever the floor person was at the time made a huge deal about being on the phone while you have cards--if you're playing with the phone, your hand is dead. Several dealers also said they were going to enforce it during their downs. Well, the one floor guy was monitoring the two tables as we were going hand for hand, as one player with cards, and who made a raise, answered a phone call during the hand. The floor person witnessed this happen in real time. The complainer player said, "You cannot ignore this, I want a ruling right now." The floor guy simply gave the guy a warning. The entire table was NOT happy about that and the guy who answered his phone ended up winning the pot. When questioned about why they now weren't going to enforce the phone policy, the exact words of the floor guy was, "We weren't told anything."

Anyway, that's tonight's Chester happenings. I'm happy to have made it to Day 2 but man oh man, the end of this room and the beginning of Philly Live Casino can't come soon enough.

Cliff's notes:

1. Recounting of last two tables of Sunday 4/2 11:30 AM flight of Diamond Delight IV 100K guarantee tourney.
2. Floor took no action against a verbally abusive player.
3. Floor went hand for hand on the bubble without stopping the tournament clock.
4. Floor only warned a player for talking on the cell phone during a hand in which he had cards and money in the pot, after a stern warning from a different floorperson to start the tournament that playing with a cell phone while holding cards will result in a dead hand. Several individual dealers had also been enforcing this policy.
5. Floor's response to #4 verbatim: "We weren't told anything."

Why are they only paying 14 players if there were 147 entrants? Don't they at least usually round UP to 10%. Paying 15 would also create the benefit of having an even number of players at each table on the bubble, which is especially important hand-for-hand

How does the decision about when you break for Day 2 have anything to do with whether the tournament is a crapshoot or not? If you break earlier, then you just play a crapshoot before the bubble on Day 2 rather than the end of Day 1. But more people have to come back for a second day and not make any more. Playing down to the bubble on Day has logistical benefits for everyone without actually altering the substance of the tournament.

I don't think it's that unusual to play hand-for-hand without stopping the clock. There should be no benefit for stalling in this situation. So I don't understand how this could be "abused". If two players bust on different tables on the same hand, they would share 14th place. But as I mentioned above, this would be a much better situation if they paid 15 places.

You know what it comes down to? When we play at crappy establishments crappy things happen. They run the room terribly in every other way. Why would this be any different


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1) They did not round up, they rounded down. And as luck would have it, the night ended with two all-ins getting busted by a third guy who had them covered so we ended up with only 13 making it. The guy who finished 14th for the flight will not cash either since he didn't make it to Day 2.

2) While I get that it's a nice feeling to already be in the money on Day 2, I think anyone who had to play through significantly more levels and possibly get their chips grounded down by higher blinds as opposed to a tourney where it just ends at a certain level regardless, is at a disadvantage to their other Day 1 counterparts. They will restart Day 2 at the lowest level completed and it's not an exaggeration that that may be level 16 or so based on the last one of these I played in December. You don't think having to navigate 5 more levels with far fewer chips and tables in play than on Day 2 is a disadvantage to the people who didn't have to do that, and doesn't change your strategy?

3) And to that end, the guy who deliberately slowed down the action with the hand for hand situation realized this. Why not just let the other table play normally, let them go through blinds and antes more quickly while our table could just sit on stacks for awhile.

4) Yes if the players keep coming back to a poorly-run room they have no incentive to change it. I only play these $100K guaranteed tourneys there, I would never go there for cash or a daily tourney. But I also didn't think the room had gotten as bad as I saw last night.

I played this flight as well and was seated on table 6 until I busted on lelvel 11 around 440pm. I was on my phone, plus headphones and went through multiple dealers without any issues.

So it sounds like this is one of those new weird-ass tournaments with a whole bunch of starting days, where they make the money on the first day before the starting days pool, and thus before they even know what the prize pool is. I do understand why they want to make the money on the first day. Who wants to come back four days later just to bubble? I think these tournaments are pretty absurd, but if you chose to enter one, you need to know what you are in for.

I'm still confused about this. If you are hand-for-hand, it is impossible for one table to play faster than the other. That's the whole point of hand-for-hand. So what is the benefit of stalling?

That is true, my bad. I guess it's because we were always finishing after them it felt like they were playing more hands. So all that guy did was raise blinds and antes by pushing it into one or two more levels than it should have been.

This seems like a mistake. The guy who officially finished 14th in your flight should be awarded a min-cash. Though he might be required to come back after day 2 starts, as they won't know until then how much he is to be paid.

You're not understanding this. If you had quit at an earlier time, then you theoretically would have gone through these same grinding levels, but would have done so later on day 2, instead of that night. Since everybody played down to 10%, the average stack will be pretty much the same no matter which flight you got through, regardless of how many levels that flight played. If you start with 10K, and play down to 10%, clearly the average stack from each flight is going to be 100K, adjusted for rounding errors. That is, your flight had 147, and clearly there will not be 14.7 players coming to day 2, so whether it is 15, 14, or in your unusual case 13, the average stack from each flight is going to be about 100K. That will be true whether one flight somehow got it done in the first level, or if it took 40 levels. 10% is 10%.

But the phone issue you mentioned is a real concern. They can't apply that rule some of the time, but not all of the time, depending upon the whims of the dealer and floorperson. They should decide exactly how they want the rule to work, and then do their best to enforce it in EXACTLY that fashion.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

Add a day 2 buy in for like $500


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So you played this tournament in December, knew what to expect and still come in here whining? Here's an idea: Don't play the next one. It isn't going to change. Same floors, same management. Nothing. Will. Change.

Email the poker room manager with your complaints, too. Otherwise, your complaints fall on deaf ears.

I've played these in the past. The plus is that there is more incentive for players to fire bullets on multiple flights when the know on day 1 that they are out. These things tend to have a ton of dead money in them.

But yeah if you don't like the format don't play it and respectfully let the prm know why. You can email him, his email addy is on the bravo.

I agree re: consistent rules enforcement although (esp if they are tightening up) I can understand a first time warning also. This is also worth emailing the prm.

As for tolerating aggressive behavior bordering on violence, in general this room is imo a bit too tolerant. Perhaps the hood. Player should have been warned immediately and then given penalty rounds if he persisted and removed from the casino if he persisted further. This too is worth emailing the prm.

Back to op's opening comment, there isn't much point posting here for purposes of communicating to the room since the prm doesn't participate. [name removed] was the only one who did and he's gone. On the other hand I think the prm may actually pay some attention regarding some of your concerns if you email him and it doesn't come off as one big dissertation by a malcontent. So my advice would be to email Bruce with your specific concerns re: rules and borderline violent behavior.

Perhaps email him separately about your displeasure with the structure.

Just my $.02 gl




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It's unofficial: Bad beat jackpot will be returning sometime in May to Harrah's.

I heard this a year ago, but, I've been guaranteed it's happening ASAP.

Is the rake still $5+1? Any high hand/free buffet/freeroll/etc promos going?

Thanks.

Yes and high hands everyday and meal vouchers after 4-5 hours played


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Good to hear. Heading down Friday afternoon to play & recharge CET comps.