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Add-ons do have an issue of creating an unlevel playing field. Also, if casino maximizes the add-ons and rebuys (say 2 add-ons and reentries for 10 levels allowed), then it will be very hard to convert those tourney players into cash game players, since the losers after 3 rebuys and 2 add-ons will no longer have the spending money or time left to play cash later that night.

Re-entries are unlimited until the end of the 6th level, no changes there. I suggest a one time add-on during the break at after level 6 during the break. I suppose a player losing an extra 40 dollars may effect the decision to play a low limit game. I imagine that to be a rare case.

As far as unlevel playing fields; I have never played a poker tourney where it did not exist.

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08-23-2015 , 09:03 PM

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The part I have trouble getting my head around is: why bother with $40 add-on? Wouldn't it be better and easier for everyone involved to just go with a $80 buy-in if thats whats desired by enough players?

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08-24-2015 , 08:57 AM

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This discussion probably probably suited for a different thread. At $40 buy-in we are getting players, in the learning curve, re-buying 3 to 5 times. I'm afraid some of those may stay home at $80.

For seasoned PLO players (or any tourney player), add-on is another opportunity to exercise correct desicion making and BRM.

It is far eaiser to increase the buy-in. My opinion is that is better to have an add-on. I'm just one guy.

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08-24-2015 , 04:12 PM

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That's going to be my last post on this topic not to take up the thread space (since I am not a PLO tourney reg):

If you are trying to maximize the number of people in the PLO tourney, maybe you could talk to Dave about possible options (current $40 no add-on, $60, $80, $40 with add-on for example) and then on any given Wednesday give out a survey to all tourney participants to see which option they prefer.

Full disclosure: I have no vested interest in the buy-in level of PLO tourney per se. I just hope it drags in enough players to occasionally play 1 2 PLO.

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08-24-2015 , 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dean327

($40 for 10K chips or something similar),

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Funny, I wanted to reintroduce this PLO as a larger buy-in but was told not to.

We can eventually do this, but it will take some time. I would obv like to see it securely established first

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Add ons are a wonderful idea but they are something I think were designed as half buyin re ups iirc. Appealing to the low limit donkament type recs because they tend to be nitty in life as well as poker imo. I would think it easier for them to replenish a short stack with a measly $20 bill and continue waiting for AA than have to fork over a full buyin for just 10k. It seems an irresistable bonus for a rec Phsychologicaly.

I think the casino would want juice on the addon...say $20+3 for 7k?

Why not rebuys and add ons? < this is the dream combo for low buyins imo. Fits nicely with this particular variant as well imho.

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08-24-2015 , 10:50 PM

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Now that I think about it, not sure the floor would want the extra responisibility logistically. Especially if addons are aloud anytime below starting stack ( how it should be).

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08-25-2015 , 01:28 AM

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Can someone break down the rake for 1/2 and 2/5 NL? Parx and Sugarhouse both do $5+$1 at 1/2NL which is disgusting. Looking for something a little more beatable.

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08-25-2015 , 06:10 AM

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Can someone break down the rake for 1/2 and 2/5 NL? Parx and Sugarhouse both do $5+$1 at 1/2NL which is disgusting. Looking for something a little more beatable.

Same at Harrahs but the $1 promo gets dropped as rake.

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08-25-2015 , 10:00 AM

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Now that I think about it, not sure the floor would want the extra responisibility logistically. Especially if addons are aloud anytime below starting stack ( how it should be).

You are describing a re-buy, not an add-on.

Re-buy tournaments are far less popular than they used to be.

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08-25-2015 , 12:24 PM

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^^ crap, you are correct..kindly disregard....brain fart, I did not take my meds pre post..confusion is real

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08-25-2015 , 12:29 PM

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Same at Harrahs but the $1 promo gets dropped as rake.

Ouch

Also, I was expecting renovations, all I got was a 60's era sneeze guard and spotty wifi..not complaining, just expected a difference

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08-25-2015 , 01:53 PM

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Same at Harrahs but the $1 promo gets dropped as rake.

Like it doesnt get dropped in separate box?

Man I live in NY and I always go to AC but I was considering a move to Philly to play poker on long weekends but $6 rake at 1/2NL is just huge. A $6 rake at 1/2 and 2/5 basically forces you to play at 2/5 imo. Gonna have to reevaluate my game plan. Thanks for the info though!

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08-25-2015 , 04:13 PM

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Is there any benefit at all for the player to have the dollar go directly to take or is it only beneficial to the casino?

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08-25-2015 , 04:54 PM

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Yes same drop box. Supposedly PA gamming oversees a fixed percentage of the rake going to promos that replace the previous separate bbj drop. The percentage was supposedly based on a review of historical bbj drop to rake ratios.

Fwiw Harrahs and sugarhouse have a reasonable 1/3-500 player pool. That game was recently introduced at Parx but hasn't gotten much traction there.

If you play 2/5 there is 2/5-1000 and 2/5 deepstack (500-2500) at Harrahs. The deep game doesn't always go esp since 5T has been going more as of late but 2/5 deep is a time game at $7/half hr.

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08-25-2015 , 05:03 PM

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Is there any benefit at all for the player to have the dollar go directly to take or is it only beneficial to the casino?

The casino rep can answer but I suspect not collecting 2x the chips half of which were counted by poker room employees prob benefits the casino.

Whether room promos that redistribute that $1 in small chunks rather than giant bbj payouts benefit the players is open to debate, I think it probably is better than bbj for the ecosystem of the room. I'm sure it probably results in more re-rake and pit play than sitting on $1m in bbj reserves.

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08-25-2015 , 09:52 PM

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Fwiw Harrahs and sugarhouse have a reasonable 1/3-500 player pool. That game was recently introduced at Parx but hasn't gotten much traction there.

Confirmed Parx is puttering with 1/3. Similar to 1/2O8 cept a tad more frequent. Prison View and Sugar Tent seem to be the 1/3 rooms in the area..couple tables each er so consistently 3ish days/week.

The Tent has been jumping @1/3 for a bit now

Last edited by NoQuarter; 08-25-2015 at 10:03 PM. Reason: Prison View and Sugar Tent being used as terms of endearment obv.

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08-25-2015 , 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XquisiteWretch

Can someone break down the rake for 1/2 and 2/5 NL? Parx and Sugarhouse both do $5+$1 at 1/2NL which is disgusting. Looking for something a little more beatable.

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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo

Same at Harrahs but the $1 promo gets dropped as rake.

So is the rake 10% up to $6 or 10% up to $5, plus $1 for the promo?

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08-26-2015 , 12:22 AM

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Prison View and Sugar Tent seem to be the

this is awesome!

Parx nickname?

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08-26-2015 , 07:30 AM

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So is the rake 10% up to $6 or 10% up to $5, plus $1 for the promo?

5+1 with the 1 dropped at 20.

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08-26-2015 , 04:12 PM

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this is awesome!

Parx nickname?

No, nothing pops out at me for Parx...RedRum maybe? But you have to be old to know that one

. If its any consolation, Borgata is The Marsh or as others may be familiar The B. Trop is The Cave, and Sands Beth is just reg infested

from what I remember havent been there in 6 months.

Last edited by NoQuarter; 08-26-2015 at 04:20 PM. Reason: yea RedRum sounds good...you could get murdered there if you dont table select haha

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08-26-2015 , 08:24 PM

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No, nothing pops out at me for Parx...RedRum maybe? But you have to be old to know that one

. If its any consolation, Borgata is The Marsh or as others may be familiar The B. Trop is The Cave, and Sands Beth is just reg infested

from what I remember havent been there in 6 months.

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08-27-2015 , 08:57 AM

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Second prize for the PLO tourney was $411, first was $648. Not that this is some big payday, but the tourney is giving the opportunity to win 10 times your buy-in. If you enjoy PLO or want to play a cheap tourney, the prize pool is now worth while.

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08-27-2015 , 09:23 AM

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Was there a chop or did they play it out?

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08-27-2015 , 10:15 AM

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Was there a chop or did they play it out?

Wish I coulkd answer. I place 8th with 6 places being paid.

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08-31-2015 , 03:38 PM

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Anyone know if the high hands coming up require both cards or just one card? Also, what is the min requirement to qualify (boat, 4kind?)

Finally, what if multiple winners? Split the prize?

Thanks

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