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07-21-2010 , 10:56 AM
Played eleven hours yesterday, room was really busy.

The loudspeaker is really loud at the table I was playing at. Really loud. Ear piercing loud. I then moved to a two five game, where it was so cold my teeth started chattering.

Dealers are very green. I watched one dealer deal turn and riverby accident after he thought the other player called the all in. floor was called, correctly instructed the dealer to reshuffle, and before the player could say if he was indeed calling, the dealer DID IT AGAIN. It was really funny to everyone except the people involved in the hand.

Not a bad place at all. Ten minutes from my house. Nice. No more AC.
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07-21-2010 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MacGuyV
There's so much confusion as to whether or not a new player has to post. Don't they go over this stuff in training?

I mean, I've never felt guilty about leaving a table when the blind gets to me even though some consider that poor etiquette. But these guys who sit down and say no to the BB, "I'll come in behind", and then expect not to post in the CO....are you kidding me? Do other places actually let them do this or are they just trying to pull one over on inexperienced dealers?
if new players come in behind the button then they dont have to post. also if they come in and are facing the big blind, they can wait for the button to pass them and come in for free.

if you miss a big blind and come back to the table, you must post 1 sb and a bb.
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07-21-2010 , 11:37 AM
Didn't read the whole thread, but has anyone mentioned how tilting it is that they have this swipe in/out machine that takes up time at the table, but it keeps track of which tables have open seats etc. THEN they still make announcements (on the way too loud PA) "Any open 1/2 seats?" etc.. WTF is the point of the "Bravo" computer system.
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07-21-2010 , 11:38 AM
id like to retract my hatred of the room i made in an earlier post.

i think in a few weeks theyll work the kinks out, right now you just gotta deal with slow dealers, if you want even slower dealers then go check out blackjack. they are soooo slow, constantly asking the floor for permission to pay off a $100 bet.

the bravo system is mainly used to keep track of comps, also i got like 3 hours extra of comps cuz they forgot to clock me out
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07-21-2010 , 11:39 AM
Oh and when I asked the floor making the announcements to please not yell into his mic he replied.. "What do you want me to do whisper?" and then proceeded to raise his voice for the next few announcements just to show me who's boss.. maybe if enough ppl complain they'll turn it down.
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07-21-2010 , 11:55 AM
I am not sure the issue is with overall speaker volume as much as maybe balancing it across all the room. I have been there several times and can basically never hear it. I have to focus very hard just to make sure I don't miss it if I am waiting for another game.
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07-21-2010 , 12:09 PM
update from tuesday night, aka wednesday morning

went at 3am cuz i have insomnia, room was semi full, around 5 am it started to emtpy.

on a weekday late night at like 5 am for those who care, there was one 2-5 game going with around 6 guys. and two 1/2 nl games going with around 6-7 guys.

just curious, was there a waiting list tonight from 8pm-midnight? ifso, how long was it? thanks.
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07-21-2010 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cashgamepoker500

the bravo system is mainly used to keep track of comps, also i got like 3 hours extra of comps cuz they forgot to clock me out

Or 3 hours less comps when they swipe you in, hit the wrong button and make you GUEST in the Bravo system. That happened to me Sunday. So now I get up and look at the Bravo board to be sure.
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07-21-2010 , 01:51 PM
Ha, I asked the Asian lady where she dealt before because she obv. knew what she was doing. Didn't realize I was being so tacky.
Again, I think most of us understand you've been doing this for 3 days.
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07-21-2010 , 01:57 PM
I went for the first time last night (usually 1:30 hours to AC)

Overall not bad

I think the dealers will work themselves out - they are going to make mistakes. Only had one who was exceedingly slow. Others were just trying to get it right.

Only one watress was problem

But the big problem was the the people running the floor!!!! This has to be corrected immediately or they will have big problem. Although there was a sign in desk - people were just walking in and sitting down. Players are allowed to get up and switch tables at anytime. Even when people went to desk the floor people had no idea how to balance tables. One time 2 of our players got up on their own and went to another leaving us with 5 and filling another table. When I mentioned it to floor person he had no idea of what I was saying. Another time floor person showed person to seat and gave him choice of table with 3 players 5 players or 9 players - DUH!!! tough choice. Also not enough floor people.

Another time when changing decks the floor sat on our table and started to hae a conversation leaving the boxes on the table while we all waited for him to move his fat ass. finally said something to the dealers who "a.. hummed" him.

I can lie with everything else - but the floor needs to get better.

(a dealer told me they are trying to entice a couple of experienced floor people from AC with raises to move out for all the table games)

On a good note in 3 hours I left 301 up.

kid of soft at everytable - thats a good thing - no a great thing
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07-21-2010 , 02:14 PM
I second johnnyi's post. I think at one point they tried to put together a new table and when the game never got going, some of those people were bumped off the waiting list for that game and ended up having to wait for hours upon hours. Other times I got the feeling people were just sitting down who weren't on the list.
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07-21-2010 , 03:11 PM
I have been to the room the first 3 nights now. Major improvement in most of the dealers since Sun/Mon. There are some that just won't cut it IMO but Lat night I felt they were the exception rather than the rule. Still needs improvement obv. but it is certainly tolerable now.

I was at one of the tables at the end opposite the cage and can vouch for the absurdly loud PA. What was most bothersome was the way the floor responded when asked about it. They were not very sympathetic. Finally another floor guy was more apologetic and said facilities was looking into it and seemed to at least lower his voice a bit.

I don't know how I missed it the first day but it was mentioned earlier in the thread that there is a beverage table with self serve free coffe, water and soda. Call me a cheap/impatient bastard but I actually prefer grabbing my once per hour drink myself wihtout having to wait for service and tipping a buc. It may sound silly, but saving 10 bucs in server tips in a session offsets the extra dollar rake and lessens my complaint that there weren't enough coctail servers.

I like that a couple of dealers have posted here and are open to constructive criticism. The floor people could learn something from this.

A young girl I know just began dealing here. She plays in our weekly bar game and is one of those type A personality organizer types. Opening day I saw her (off the clock after her shift) going table to table spotting open seats and reporting them to the desk to get the people on the list seated and try to keep the tables full. I have observed this attitude among several of the young dealers who really seem to take pride in trying to improve the room. It's probably the 80/20 rule in play bu I hope this attitude continues and I hope the floor shares it.

Overall things are improving and all things considered playing here is +EV for me.
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07-21-2010 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by whytbone87
Hey guys,

I'm also a dealer at Harrah's Chester and have perused the thread and will pass on your concerns to the floor. I work swing shift tonight if anybody is coming in.

Thanks!
If you don't do something about that loudspeaker, I'm going to come in there and do something about it.

Only kidding. But really, seriously, you have no idea how bad it is. It was enough for me to consider leaving the table. The cold air on the left hand side of the room is outrageous, and this is coming from someone who is always hot.

I think you need to raise the ceilngs another 15 feet, and that should take care of everything.

And get rid of that really big floor person. He sucks.
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07-21-2010 , 03:49 PM
The "bravo" system is indeed horrible. I can't stand it. I'm a person who doesn't use rewards, so my view may be skewed. I don't want to wait while you swipe someone in. I don't want to be asked 30 times "sir, do you have a card?" I'm going to start replying "No, I don't have a car and I don't want any of your crappy rewards"

The little things will be worked out eventually... but I don't know if it'll ever be run as "good" as AC. And that's not saying much.
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07-21-2010 , 03:52 PM
Anyone have word on what games were going last night?? I was thinking of heading down tonight but don't want to waste my time if it is going to be 1/2 and 2/5 nl only.
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07-21-2010 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cczar23
Anyone have word on what games were going last night?? I was thinking of heading down tonight but don't want to waste my time if it is going to be 1/2 and 2/5 nl only.
If there is a few people tonight, I'd go and start 5/10 half nl / half plo
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07-21-2010 , 05:31 PM
im thinking about going up friday but im kinda nervous about a potential 3-hour wait for 1/2.....what have the waits been like around 7-midnite the past couple nights?
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07-21-2010 , 06:30 PM
This won't work as well at Harrah's Chester since they have crappy video poker pay tables, but if you want to increase your comps from other Harrah's properties, a little video poker action will really increase your offers at very little -EV to you. I believe all of the Harrah's properties in AC have 9/6 Jacks or Better which has a reasonably easy strategy to learn and the house edge is only about 0.5%. Last year I only gave Harrah's AC perhaps $2000 of action (so about -$10 of EV) and got 4 room offers at various points of the winter, fall, or spring for 2 weeknights a piece at Bally's, Showboat, or Harrah's. Getting a room during the summer, on a weekend, or at Caesar's any time, is more difficult, but that little bit of negative EV got me plenty of weeknight offers.
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07-21-2010 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by beetman
This won't work as well at Harrah's Chester since they have crappy video poker pay tables, but if you want to increase your comps from other Harrah's properties, a little video poker action will really increase your offers at very little -EV to you. I believe all of the Harrah's properties in AC have 9/6 Jacks or Better which has a reasonably easy strategy to learn and the house edge is only about 0.5%. Last year I only gave Harrah's AC perhaps $2000 of action (so about -$10 of EV) and got 4 room offers at various points of the winter, fall, or spring for 2 weeknights a piece at Bally's, Showboat, or Harrah's. Getting a room during the summer, on a weekend, or at Caesar's any time, is more difficult, but that little bit of negative EV got me plenty of weeknight offers.
Do these places comp on actual win/loss or expected ($10) win/loss?

If the former, what did you actually lose to get those 4 room offers?
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07-21-2010 , 07:14 PM
At the room, no real waiting lines, open seat for 1/2 2/5 and 5/10 is running also. stud game and 10/20 limit game running as well
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07-21-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by knircky
At the room, no real waiting lines, open seat for 1/2 2/5 and 5/10 is running also. stud game and 10/20 limit game running as well
Best room in town...if DP did this with there rake, they would have the best room...Harrah is TOPS at this day and time. Love that poker is now in my area and I have a choice.
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07-21-2010 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by knircky
At the room, no real waiting lines, open seat for 1/2 2/5 and 5/10 is running also. stud game and 10/20 limit game running as well
How many players playing 5/10, is it deep? Please reply. I'm going to come if its worth it. Thanks
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07-21-2010 , 08:05 PM
Went yesterday, tue afternoon and well into the am. Had a great time. Plenty of room to walk around, and the dealers are good. Played 3/6, and some 10/20. Room was packed around midnight. Will be back. Just hoping PARX gets poker soon.

that is all
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07-21-2010 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hobokes
Do these places comp on actual win/loss or expected ($10) win/loss?

If the former, what did you actually lose to get those 4 room offers?
I actually won around $100 on my video poker play. Harrah's comps a couple different ways, you earn base reward points based on the coin-in, and then bonus points based on the theoretical loss, but that's just a base dollar amount of comps that you can use in the restaurants etc, the same way they comp for regular poker. But on top of that, they give random room offers at various parts of the year that I think just require you give them a minimal amount of action to get your name on their list.

Not sure if roughly $10 is the minimum or if an even smaller amount would suffice, but I know none of my poker-only friends got the same offers I did and they definitely played more hours at Harrah's properties than I did (I played roughly 50 hours of regular poker at Harrah's properties last year.)
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07-21-2010 , 09:01 PM
Went there today played from noon to about 6:30, great starting hands but nothing really connected overall my experience was better. All my dealers but one actually had rythm going and the game moved, still a few mistakes(that are major) wrong change, showing 4th street before a player acts, but with that being said the floor was quick and made fast and clear decisions.(unlike before they would all confir like refs to come up with a decision) The games (i sat 1/2) are still super soft, top pair calling down to river, chasing 1,2,3,4 outers to the river! My cards didnt connect today but ive got plenty of bait left and nothing but time Still it looks like the action will be there 7 days a week 24hours a day and I am loving the support that this room is getting( as far a patrons) it been a long time coming for pa but we have some of the most talented players in the world and it time to showcase it.
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