So will there be live cash games in poker room and tournament room during series? Will 1/2 be ran on live tables in tournament room?

Ay structure sheets for nightly $130's during series?

I am guessing there will be more short stackers than normal b/c ppl want to play with live cards so they will be likely to buy in for the minimum at the 2/5 instead. hopefully they will run a couple 1/2 live at least. and see how long the lines get hehe.

what was the verdict last nite, things go smoothly for the most part?

How many live tables were running?

Hello all.

I'll be up there starting on the 4th chasing those rings. Would love to meet and talk with any of the thread regs.

Lou

This is a silly comment. Trust me they will be running live 1-2 at some point. There just isn't enough money in the area to support 2-5 tables full time. I know everyone says they love the PP tables(myself included) but they will turn into a live room at some point. Once everyone gets a taste of chips and a live dealer they won't go back to the digital. Theres just something about sitting behind a mountain of chips that does it for people

At least for awhile, people will play over their budget and muster up the $500 buy-in for 2/5 live dealer games to keep the live dealer tables reasonably busy. Not sure about the long term. Personally, having played in a lot of live dealer poker rooms, the chips don't really turn me on.

The casino has an incentive to keep 1/2 games on PokerPro tables because the rake per hour is much higher (typically double the number of hands per hour), and the personnel overhead is lower with PokerPro.

Random rant:

I hate the showers in the Mountain Tower Room and advise against anyone booking/paying for a room in that tower. The shower water pressure is very very weak and not so hot either for a mega hotel tower. The water is so weak that is will not reach past the first 1/3 of the bathtub. It's like showering under a drinking water fountain.The latter portion of the tub is always dry after my sad 25-30min showers. It will take you that long to rinse out all the shampoo and soap from that puny shower head.

The showers in the Creek Tower rooms are however always great.

One problem I have with live dealers at Cherokee is that I don't think the poker room is set up with overhead cameras watching the game, as would be found in most other major casinos. This applies to watching other players, in addition to watching the dealers.

You have a misunderstanding of how PokerPro tables work. Here is a pic:
http://www.pokertek.com/pokerpro/

More pics:
http://www.pokertek.com/pdfs/PokerPro_Brochure.pdf

How about having the option to stand up from the table and walking away for a break or cigarette? Can I do that without worrying about someone sitting in my seat? Will I lose my seat if I need to go to bathroom?

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How would you lose your seat? This is real poker with digital cards. Do you worry about taking a piss break in a room with live dealers? My guess is you don't. Same as here, you hit a button on screen so you don't get dealt in and you have 30 minutes to take a walk, get a drink, use bathroom, talk on phone and then sit back down. Swipe in and play.

Actually it's more secure than a live table. At a live table if you get up and walk away someone could sit, play a hand, pick up your chips and leave. Someone could snatch a high value chip if its in the open.

At pokerpro if you want to take a break just hit sitout. The screen will say OUT instead of your balance. You can't sit and play without re-inserting your card and entering your 4-digit pin.

Anyone try out the live tables yet? Any plo run on them or did it stay on e-table? I heard the PLO game was really big Sat-Sun (it always is to me) Anyone play in it?

One more day at work (tues) and I'll be on my way up for the series.

Some of this has already been mentioned by others, but PokerPro tables are much more convenient if you want to take a break. Just select SIT OUT on your options screen if you intend to come back (you can also specify that you want to QUIT and not come back or don't want your seat reserved). There is clock on your seat screen indicating how long you have been gone. House rules at Cherokee is that after 30 minutes being gone the Poker Room manager on duty has the right to give your seat away, but that is not always enforced, especially if not busy or if no one mentions to them that the person has been gone over 30 minutes. If you leave and decide you don't want to come back, you don't need to return to poker room and get your chips, since the cash balance goes to your Total Rewards Card.

As already noted, no one can take your seat and play with your stack, unless they have your Total Rewards Card and the 4 digit PIN. To get cash transferred from the card into your wallet at the cage, you also need to provide photo ID in addition to the Total Reward Card and PIN.

Couple newbie questions prior to wsop.


1. If visiting for first time, where do you get a rewards card and do you load $$ on it at the same location?

2. There will be approx 15 live cash tables in wsop location (event center or whatever) - will these all be 2-5 and up? Any Sng's on these?

3. Any specific tips on the poker tek tables if you have never seen them (other than a pic) let alone sat at one? Ex. - use hands to cover cards, etc? Any of the statistical info on the screen useful?

4. If you load $$ on your players /rewards card or however that works, can you use that same card to register for the wsop events? How does the card work if you have $$ on it but sit at a live dealer table?

5. How long is drive from Atlanta....straight up thru Ellijay and then thru Murphy, NC?


Thanks for any info....first trip to the poker room.

Cherokee 1/2 tables are a little different than most other casinos, since buy-in is $100-$500. For example, at the 3 Seminole Hard Rock Casinos in FL, 1/2 buy-in is $60-$100.

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1. Go to Total Rewards Center at front of Casino, or at rear near parking garage. If you want to play on PokerPro Tables, you can load money on your card at a cashier. If you are only playing WSOP-C events or cash games with live dealers, you don't need to load your card.
2. Since they have started live dealer tables a few days ago, they have been 2/5 NLHE. That's all we know at this time. Max buy-in for 1/2 is $500.
3. You will figure it out after playing a few hands. It is easy to learn. Yes, they have very good stats on your play.
4. I don't think that cash on your Total Rewards card has anything to do with WSOP-C events or live dealer tables, but not 100% sure. You can withdraw money at a cashier from your Total Rewards Card at any time to use to buy chips or enter WSOP-C event. But I believe that you must have Total Rewards Card to play WSOP-C.
5. From Atlanta is about 3 hours, depending on what part of Atlanta. Do not go via Murphy, even if you like scenery. Go up I-85, to I-985 to Clayton GA. Take 23/441 to Cherokee (but look at maps or get a GPS). Google maps will get you there.

Poker Room and Special Events Center (WSOP-C) are next to each other on the 2nd floor near the front of the Casino, next to Brio restaurant.

Not surprised that the e-table vs. dealer debate has broken out again. But no one reporting on the actual status of the live tables is rather disappointing.

• The only game spread thus far has been 2/5 NLHE. The buyin limits are 200min/1000max.
• Rake is 10% up to $7
• There is no BBJ
• There are 5 tables available.
• Tables are 9-handed.
• A single straddle is allowed UTG only.
• Dealers are currently churning out anywhere between 10-25 hands/hr in NLHE. Median hands/hr is right around 15-18.
• Dealers are pooling tips.
• There has been a single cashier window open in the poker room since live games started up.
• Off-shift dealers are occasionally being used as chiprunners. They have to use the same single cashier window as everyone else.
• There's been additional floor staff for the live games.
• Signing up for the games was initially done using the poker pro kiosk, but was switched to just speaking to the brush at the front desk.
• There are currently no reward/tier points being granted for live play, despite them swiping your rewards card.

Those are the basic facts of the live games from the first weekend. The games themselves were really good. The 5 tables were full for much of the weekend. Lots of loose money in play that likely wouldn't have been up there if not for the live cards. With the speed of the game, however, it severely reduces the winrate you'd be expecting in your average 2/5 game.

The dealers themselves were very raw. Exposed cards, dealing out too many or too few cards, failing to burn, over-raking, and forgetting change were too common. These errors contributed quite a bit to the slow pace of the game. The dealer changes were probably the most aggravating part of the process. At the end of every down, they'd begin the process of counting down the tray to verify its accuracy.

The weekend PLO game remained on the poker pro tables. It started as 1/2 at about 2pm Sat. It kicked up to 1/2/4 for the majority of the weekend, with a pot average of 250-750. Despite the size of the game, hands/hr were still around 35-40. If it had been spread on the live tables, it would have been 25% of that at best.

I like the way BestBet in Jacksonville does it. Each dealer has their own tray that they bring to the table, so no need to count them. There are also a lot of chip runners on the floor who carry chips with them as they walk around (don't have to go to the cage each time), so dealers don't need to have a lot of chips in their tray. Players can rebuy directly from chip runners.

Isn't this like the way every casino does it? seems to be for every place I've been in Arizona, LA. And if places DON'T do it this way, I haven't noticed so they must be doing things right. I get that it'll take Cherokee awhile to get things going smoothly, though.

I'm sure many will agree with me. I don't like the PokerPro tables but they make more sense to play at than a live game. So if I had to choose, I'd pick them over a live dealer. But I still don't "like" them. I'd much rather prefer a capable dealer with personality that I like and know. Then again, I usually prefer to play limit holdem and drink a lot while playing, so that usually has a different atmosphere with dealer interaction than the NL games do.

The Seminole Hard Rock Casinos in FL (three of them) seem to do it like Cherokee (tray stays with table and new dealer every 30 minutes has to count the tray when they start). Seminole Hard Rock casino chip runners also go to cage each time dealer needs chips for cash, where at BestBet they have chip runners wandering around that already have a fair amount of chips with with and can exchange chips for cash for a dealer or a player who needs to rebuy.

I probably would prefer a competent dealer over PokerPro, but that is not going to be case for every dealer at any casino. I also like that I can leave a PokerPro table for a break and not worry about my chip stack, or even decide to not come back if change my mind. Also don't like stacking chips when I win a big pot, or playing with chips that stick together because of human sweat has accumulated on them and casino is too lazy/cheap to wash them on a regular basis.

Your numbers are incorrect on both counts. For the live tables it's 10% up to $7 (incremented $1 at each $10). For the pokerpro tables it's 10% up to $5 (incremented $0.25 at each $2.50).

One of the floor staff has mentioned that the live rake decision was an incentive to keep people interested in the pokerpro tables, since they generate a higher hourly for the house. So it seems unlikely they'll be increased.

Thanks for the correction.

Hate to say I told you so, but knew those greedy bastards were going to raise the rake. I wonder if the rake at the cash games at the WSOP-C will be the same. Of course the tournaments are grossly over raked as well.

Seems as though little thought/effort was put into the poker room by management. Poker really is just an afterthought especially at this casino. They badly need some competition.

Thankfully the PLO stayed on PokerPro.

If I keep getting less for what I seem to be continually paying more and more for I'm just going to drive to Florida. So far for April I've not even received and free play through the mail. Just $110 from the coupon book they send out. I usually receive $600-$750/month and I give a lot of play in the pit.

However, I will have to try them out. Live cards are more entertaining. At 18 hands/hr it will be hard to win any money. Imagine how long you could run bad at that rate. At least it's bringing some new players. The room never could have supported 5 2/5 games before.

WTF at raking me more, and not giving any tier points/reward credits. Greedy *******s.