Also to be fair literally feet outside of the Cleveland Casino is 1000 homeless people.

You really have to hand it to Great Canadian. They opened a 30 table room in one of the biggest cities in North America and less than two months later there is zero buzz about it. From the rake to the room to the wait lists, just a masterclass in doing something badly so they won't ask you to do it again. What a sham.

I am going to request that a mod merge this thread and the one titled Toronto. As they are both discussing the same casino (GCCRT).

No, this is a subset of Toronto. Why not include all the Vegas discussions into one forum?

Broke down and played here last night. Was exactly as advertised:

• Waited about an hour for a seat, check-in was organized but not a great experience
• room is pretty dire. Few TVs and not super nice. Lots of places to sit and wait
• First dealer I had was painfully slow, try as she might. Others were much better
• Player pool was very reg-heavy but still some wildly bad stuff happening at 1/3

Rake is heavily penal but for a rec player like me, it's a balance between proximity and knowing I'm getting screwed. Play was standard 1/3 bingo, some guy steam raising to $40 UTG with small pairs while I watched another guy limp for $3 before eventually calling two jams for $200 preflop.

By 7-8pm on a Sunday night there were close to 30 tables going. Try as they might, I can't see this room going anywhere or changing much other than the experience of the dealers.

But I bet you won.

Let us know when youre done blowing GCC's most garbage card room.

I agree with him, the games are incredibly soft.

I guess if you're a rec player who plays once or twice a year playing the excessive rake might be worth it when you weigh in fuel costs, travel time or the pain in the butt of taking casino tour buses or pt to Niagara Falls, but anybody else I question if you realize how much more you are paying to play poker at woodbine with no benefits too.

What do you get from playing at Niagara? Free parking? The rake is lower in NF but it's much further, so the loss of playing time. The cost of gas, vehicle depreciation, all those drunken yahoos on the 403 late at night following gambling losses. Niagara Falls has far more regulars per table.

Ontario sucks overall and woodbine is just the least dirty shirt in the hamper.

Bring Seneca back

You are really starting to come off as a GCC employee at this point.

1) By definition of what a reg is and because that garbage casino you keep shilling on here is new you cant really tell whos a reg and who isnt at that place.

2) Pretty sure Casino Niagra didnt increaese their rake after covid and its been very close to the rake its at now for a very long time. Timed rake has always been the best format for the players. You also reward companies who aren't trying to scam you at every turn and are supposed to NOT reward the ones who are. You wanna bet who raises their rake first, this GCC property or CN?

3) Everything in that GCC casino is the bare minimum. The floor doesnt exist so its easy to collude and or cheat during hands cause they not only dont care but management doesnt know what poker is. The food, service, dealers, waitlist, literally every checkbox for a cardroom is as close to 1/10 as you can get.

4) Saying "lmao bro games r soft!!!!" over and over shows how inept you are. Rake is going to take 10x more from your pocket then any player ever could. How many of you out there are going to make up for losing $200+ in a 6 hour session every single time?

Oh right, that's me, CEO of GCC. You got me.
1) By definition of what a reg is and because that garbage casino you keep shilling on here is new you cant really tell whos a reg and who isnt at that place.


Laughable. The casino is new but the players aren't. The core of regulars spent their time at Niagara and Toronto's underground games, Pokeraces, TPTS, Poker Place etc. I have been to all of those and to Niagara many times. I know who are regulars and who aren't.

2) Pretty sure Casino Niagra didnt increaese their rake after covid and its been very close to the rake its at now for a very long time. Timed rake has always been the best format for the players. You also reward companies who aren't trying to scam you at every turn and are supposed to NOT reward the ones who are. You wanna bet who raises their rake first, this GCC property or CN?


Nobody is denying that the rake structure is lower at CN. We are looking at ALL COSTS associated with Niagara. Niagara travel time is approx 1.5 Hours each way. That is assuming good, smooth traffic around the GTA. On saturday afternoons or Saturday evenings there can easily be extra traffic, construction, accidents etc. So we could easily be talking of 4 hours of total commuting time to play at Niagara. That's also assuming NO list. My last visit to Niagara had no list but I've been there many times and had to wait.

So what does a really skilled poker player make? A great win rate is say 10 BB/hr. If playing 1-3, you are looking at 30 per hour, 2-5 is50 per hour. Opportunity cost of travel and waiting for 4 hours is 120-200 per day for 1/3 or 2/5 poker.

Factor in gas, add another 20 bucks. Add in depreciation from extra mileage. I'll be generous and say just .10 per KM and that's another 25 bucks. Ok, you can carpool but that often means waiting for another person and more lost time.

The session fee for 1/3 is 14 per hour.

Let's say the average session is 6 hours. So 120 in lost time, 20 in gas, 25 in depreciation and 84 in session fee. Total lost is about 250 dollars.

Even with poor rake of 10 percent up to 20, assume it's 250-300 per hour. 9 players per table. We are talking maybe 30 per person in rake and 30 X 6 is 180 dollars.

Therefore you are ahead playing at woodbine.

3) Everything in that GCC casino is the bare minimum. The floor doesnt exist so its easy to collude and or cheat during hands cause they not only dont care but management doesnt know what poker is. The food, service, dealers, waitlist, literally every checkbox for a cardroom is as close to 1/10 as you can get.


Youve never been right? The waitlist has improved a lot as there are now 12 tables of 1-3 and 12 tables of 2-5. Last time I went, I waited 30 minutes for a table. Not bad. I suspect the wait lists will shrink and they are expanding to a 50 table room. I expect wait time to continue to shrink. The dealers are improving over time. Still some bad ones but many are now competent. An area that will continue to improve. The food is ok, you get a dinner break and have access to the food court. Or just eat before you come. No free food like Playground but nowhere else is playground.


4) Saying "lmao bro games r soft!!!!" over and over shows how inept you are. Rake is going to take 10x more from your pocket then any player ever could. How many of you out there are going to make up for losing $200+ in a 6 hour session every single time?

"soft" does not really define the poor level of play here on average. There are just a lot of terrible players. I already posted an example of a player who went all in with a straight ona 4 - flush board. The skill difference between here and NF is huge. NF still has it's core 2-5 regulars that live in and around the Niagara region. They arent moving to toronto. The extra rent costs would kill them. Toronto is the richest city in Canada by far with a never ending supply of heavy gamblers. The location of Toronto is just a huge advantage.

I forgot to mention Woodbine has no cheap food options beyond Tim Hortons and maybe Mary Browns but I'm not sure if you were a regular you want to eat Mary Browns as you will end up looking like the A+W Bear if you eat that on a regular basis. Woodbine does have ample parking and it's free at least in the old grounds and beyond the King's Plate day you will never have to circle for a spot beyond wanting to be close to the entrance.

Niagara it seems from what I have seen on the website dropped any cheap food options but literally across the road has cheap standard fast food places but for me Niagara isn't an option beyond casually going there a few times a year for the reasons you stated. Even the tour bus can be expensive now as you have to pay 50 and get a 40 dollar credit that must be played on table games or slot machines. In the past you were given chips and literally could go to the cashier and cash them in but now maybe it's different and they give you a card that is electronically tracked.

It seems like Woodbine Casino decided to make up a year and half of a shuttered casino with jacking everything in the casino beyond offering free drink stations in the new wing of the casino.

I live in Orangeville so travel time to woodbine is about half the time to get anywhere else (Rama/GBH/Brantford are each about 1.5 hours with Niagara closer to two) which counts for a lot and also contributes to the relative infrequency of my play. If you live out this way and know a good home game hmu

Do they have PLO here? Will be in TO over the weekend, and looking to play at least one night

They have PLO 20/40 but it doesn’t always run. I think weekends are the better bet.

Is this truly PLO or is it Limit Omaha?

It is 20/40 LIMIT - there is no PLO planned at the moment!

And yes it doesn't run weekdays and barely on weekends - not enough dealers that are trained in that game and have the experience to deal it.

The 20/40 limit is most likely running underground right now.
CNE has about 6 tables of this game running peak time.