You would hope that the fact the wsop has an established history of events with number of entrants, GVC would have had the foresight to staff up between themselves and wsop staff/dealers. Sounds like things got better toward the end of the day yesterday.

They are not. 20 min into the first level of the first Senior event today and I was still 200+ deep into the registration line with another 50+ behind me. I left and won't be returning. F that noise.

In late June they had a bad beat that rose to $500K and they had 20 tables running almost daily
So they had about 40 competent dealers at that time
Then the BBJ hit like 3 times in 2 weeks sending it to around $25K and the players were gone.
They struggled to get 4 tables going during the week
Countless dealers were let go or left for Rivers
Around late Sept, the players started to return, especially on weekends
So, they do not have that "max staff" level back

Also, they are not going to add more dealers just for the 11 days of WSOPC
So for what it is worth, that's a little background on the situation

Some will say Rivers took their player base, but Rivers was open in April and GVC was loaded to the gills thru late June when the massive BBJ hit, so I dont think Rivers had as much impact as some will claim

Oh I agree. I used to really like GVC but over the last few years, i think players have just had enough of their nonsense.

Highest rake of anywhere within 500 miles. For the longest time lying to players about cell phone and headphone usage, no poker cashier, raking even if no flop, basically 0 rewards, replacing their only halfway decent food option (the burger place) with ridiculous pizza simply because its higher margin, charging for bottled water, etc, etc, etc.

They're kind of getting what they deserve at this point.

I agree with the above, but hopefully Caesars starts implementing more changes to improve things. The new poker room is a start.

Also, I wish WSOP would update their website on the circuit event, I was able to cash the 600 and want to know how many entrants there were. Anybody know? Thanks

I think they are doing OK with the WSOP circuit. I don't think they expected this turnout and maybe next time they will use all of the ball rooms and not just the one and the basement.

Not sure how much updating that they did in the past, but with WSOPE going on right now I'm sure a large chunk of their reporting staff are over there. Didn't you look at the tournament clock? Most clocks show entries and scroll the prize pool along with the level and clock. Good job on the cash .. hopefully you have time to jump into another event.

MGM has recently created a 'Director of Poker Operations' of sorts position that the (former) head guy at Aria has moved into. Hopefully Cesar's also follows that path and allows a 'poker' person to go from room to room with the goal of continuity across their brand. GL

I work during the week so I won't be able to play. I'm on the fence about playing the main though

I wish I could argue with this, but I cant.
The food situation is particularly embarrassing.
The night the new room opened, they put pizzas out and half the people just flat out didnt want to eat it, even though it was FREE

How bad does the pizza have to be, that people wont eat it even if it's free?

I still have a standing $100 offer for the first person to find some sauce on one of their slices.

GV has had computer problems throughout the circuit event...today, their computer crashed, delaying the monster stack. Also, we're only able to register for tournaments that are currently going on...you can't register, for example, for tomorrow's monster stack flight. That means even longer lines tomorrow.

We were expecting a **** show, and it hasn't disappointed. Maybe WSOP should consider moving next spring's circuit event back to Hammond, since GV doesn't have the infrastructure (computer systems, sufficient # of tables) to support such an event.

I am worried about tomorrow too. When I tried to register for tomorrow one staff member see me visible upset and was trying to say it is company wide issue not only at GVC . The truth is since the Eldorado bought Caesars looks like they are trying very hard to ruin it. They have this computer issues everywhere and including during WSOP Vegas . When they will think is a good time to invest in new computers and cloud software ?

So there is no additional food options at the boat during the tournament? If not, it seems like it would have been a good time to hire Jimmy Johns/whoever to bring in real food to sell.

They also have Crave and Buckingham's Steakhouse. https://www.caesars.com/grand-victor...no/restaurants

Crave - Note that when I was there on Monday, there was a sign outside that said that during the WSOP they'd have a "limited menu". Didn't check to see what that meant.

Steakhouse - Note their posted hours... Closed Mon, Tues, Wed. Thurs: 4-9, Fri and Sat: 4-10, Sun: 12-8

I opted for the pizza on Monday night, even after reading the comments in this thread. I will not be having that pizza again even if it means going hungry. No joke, worst pizza I've ever had in my life.

Played the $400 6-max on Monday and was lucky to eek out a min-cash. Bad cards and even tougher table draws, especially for a $400. Out of the final 16, I saw 4 that I played with for significant parts of the day.

Back again tomorrow and probably Friday for the $400's and buying into the main on Saturday.

Playing in the basement is so depressing. I also have AT&T which gets zero service. Unbelievable that they don't have public Wifi down there!

Bricked the main. Completely card-dead, lasted until level 7. Kind of disappointing to see that the winner fired 6 bullets, which is the max allowed. Within the rules, I get it. But that seems absurd. Good that a local took down 2nd.

https://www.wsop.com/tournaments/upd...of=211035&rr=3

Looking forward to the next circuit at the Shoe.

Interesting.

How often does PLO run here?

Now that the circuit is gone I'm planning on checking out this room probably this weekend.
Rivers is a great room but the PLO game is filled with regs who all know each other & I witnessed them loaning each other money which doesn't sit well with me.
I also wasn't prepared to sit in a game where they are button straddling for $15 every hand as that made it play like 5/10 PLO.

My understanding is that PLO didn't run at Elgin before the Circuit.

They try and run it all time but not enough players to start it

What does it matter where they get their rebuys from? As long as they aren't colluding or super-soft-playing each other then this is a non-point for me. Would you rather the seat be left open while a Player chases down the ATM or keep the chips flowing?

Are you playing 1/2 or 5/5 PLO at Rivers? The 1/2 is plenty of action/opportunity without the 'premium' time rake that you pay at 5/5.

I've already forgot how the straddles work there .. but in my world the straddles are exactly the same whether 1/2 or 5/5, being $20 max UTG or B. You're 'never' going to avoid a high frequency of straddles in a PLO game, especially during the weekend. GL

I've been over at GC and noticed the basement of the boat still is still Off Limits and the WSOP tables are still laying there. According to a guy that plays the slots there and talks to a lot of the staff: they're going to leave it that way and not put any table games or slots down there.

I find that weird... I always thought casinos tried to maximize every square foot of space.

Also, Crave is closed and (I guess) the food choices moved to the pizza bar area.

Not surprised Crave closed, that place gave me absolutely horrendous food poisoning last time I was there, put me out of commission for 2 days. So much so that I wince every time I look in there these days.

I played there on Sunday night, fairly depressing room these days compared to Rivers. Not just the number of tables/action etc, but the people. Everyone is so ****ing grumpy there.

That said play def worse than at Rivers on average somehow.

All of the "good" players go to rivers because there is so much more "action" there. The lower rake and multiple PLO options also draws the more serious players and the wild gamblers. All of this has collectively made GVC the softest, most reg/rec filled room I have ever played in. I have over 2.5k hours logged at other card rooms and I clock about 7bb/hr over that sample. Finishing this entire year playing exclusively at GVC I'm sitting at 15bb/hr and I feel like that is not unsustainable if conditions don't change.

Yeah I might actually just go to GVC a bit more, the play at Rivers is obviously bad but the last 2-3 times I've been to GVC it's been notably worse. Obvs a sample size issue.

I played at 5 different tables the last couple times I went to GVC and it legit felt like 2010-2014 before as many resources were available online for free. Rivers sometimes feels like that but it hasn't been as constant.

How big are the games playing at GVC? I haven't been there since the new room opened as it's a pretty long drive for me compared to Rivers.

The 1-3 games at Rivers can be amazing or awful with the amazing ones playing really, really big. I played 1-3 three times last week and twice there was over 10k on the table. There are a few players that can make the 1-3 games extraordinarily big there and if you get a couple of them on the same table look out. Those games are generally bigger than the 2-5 games I've sat it.

It plays muuuuuuuuuuch much smaller in general for sure. Capped at $300 buy in at 1-3 ($1k 2-5), but straddle only allowed UTG and only for 2x, combined with (I assume) a lower average income means that Rivers plays a ton bigger.

Definitely see more people at GVC buying in for min and then just leaving when they bust it than you do at Rivers.

I'll likely continue to play mostly at Rivers but on Friday nights the wait lists are just insane and the extra 30m drive for me with zero list (as you can call in) means I'm still playing maybe 1.5-2 hours earlier.

Yeah this pretty much sums it up. GVC plays much smaller (ie your typical 1/2, 1/3 game at a small-ish casino) as the handful of 2/5 and the 2/5/10 games all draw the bigger players. Lots of 100-200 buy ins with zero to one bullet on back. Maybe one to three stacks over 600 at a typical table with the occasional 1k+ heater.

Nothing like Rivers.