Just came back from an overnight stay. Very profitable trip but I must say that I am so sick of FW floor people. When are they going to get their act together?
Same exact situation happens 18 hours apart and ruled differently. When the bet line felt was installed, I was told by two floors and one of the more competent supervisors that any chips that went past the best line was a bet, dropped or not. Forward motion, past the bet line. They explained that was the whole point of installing the new felt, too much angling going on, so now there was a clear defined line with clear, defined rules.
On Wednesday night, guy takes a stack of $100 across the best line, in mid air, only drops $50 and it is ruled by a good floor that the bet is $100. Thursday, guy cuts out a bet, takes it across the line, 1/8th of an inch over the felt, opponent says call, guy says he hasn't dropped it yet, floor is called, floor rules whole amount is a bet(as did dealer) then floor supervisor rules that it is not. The funny thing is that he ruled only $20 is the bet. If his understanding of the rule is correct then why $20? It's a 2/5 game. Shouldn't it be $5 or $0 by his line of thinking? Why $20?

should of been what ever he had in his hand. The wonder of it all

Yeah, what sucks is it was against me. I was a little too excited I suppose but I made sure that he was far past the line before saying call. ****ing ****tards

There ever where. Just need to set them up for the big pay off only way to beat angle shooters

AFAIK his action isn't completed even if he's over the line. First ruling is wrong IMO, 50$ is the bet. Second ruling is also kind of wrong. Dude still has option to put in any chips > $1, up to whatever he had in his hand, guy who calls, calls.

In both scenarios the guy over the line is 100% betting. He's 100% obligated to put something into the pot.

How often, say, someone faces a $35 bet in front of them, and someone who goes to call has $100 in red chips in his hands, goes over the line with them, cuts out $35, and takes back the rest? Now the rule is that he's raising to $100? FFS, FW is the worst.

I certainly agree that FW should get their act together and be consistent (either way) on this rule. I have seen it ruled different ways a few times, also see it ignored multiple times per hour. There seems to be no agreement among supervision as to what actually constitutes binding action, or on how much must be bet when chips are put out, either touch the felt or not, some are pulled back, etc., etc.
But you actually were correct in bold above.
FW is wrong here, but if players would learn to wait until the other player has actually completed his action (this was the old rule and practice), most of these problems actually would be avoided. Sorry you got burned.

anyone know how many the 300 got today? almost pulled the trigger. but didn't and heading there soon.

Agree this is the most common ruling, but it has always annoyed me that people can bring out $100 (or any amount for that matter) and just leave one chip.

One decent floor explained that the bet line is most concerned with forward action, and not return action. Makes no sense. This isn't chess where your turn isn't done until hand off piece. If you move chips out past line they should be in play...IMO.

The line is a PIA... Also IMO. If you have a decent size stack in the 2,3,8 or 9 seat there is no space. You can count chips out behind your cards and still be slightly over the line. Rule should be forward motion, with all chips moving forward in play.

I should clarify I mean "bet area" not line

I agree Big Worm. There is no reason to take chips across the betline unless you are betting that amount. Forward motion, across a line that says "bet line". There should not even be a discussion.
And yes it leaves too little room if you have a big stack. I had $3k in front of me on Thursday and I had no place to put my cards. Good problem to have but still

thinly-veiled brag ITT. sans the thin and the veil.

I don't get to play much nowadays but I just noticed that at 1/2 they now drop $1 at a flop. Asking the dealer they say this was just implemented at 1/2 and 2/5 within the last month. With how many flops are seen at 1/2 with limpers it makes a huge difference.

Its boring and slow to watch someone count out their chips behind the line and them move them over. The player takes chips over and cuts them makes for a quicker game.

Completely disagree. It as an angle that often induces a reaction. It is more likely to induce a reaction from another player than a string bet would.

Using the example that started this discussion: Jpsy said call when she saw $100. Had she just seen $50 maybe she would have raised. Yes she could have waited a few seconds, but her reaction goes along with your desire for the quicker game.

I've always thought this bringing the stack out and pulling back is an angle. Some even joking do it very dramatically with strong motion only to leave one chip. "Haha bet you thought I was raising."

Example: Player A bets $50 on river. Player B takes stack of green across line. Any reaction at all by player A allows Player a $50-500 range of how to bet.
- insta muck by player A thinking it was $500. Player B wins
- some comment like "did you really go runner runner to hit that flush?" Player B can feel good about a bluff.
- perhaps player b was thinking bluff and player A says "call". B just leaves $50.
- player A sees the $500 and announces all-in. B leaves $50.

The quick reactions by player A move the game along.

I would be curious as to why anyone thinks a string bet should be illegal, but chips coming back from the bet area should be allowed???


Ps- in your example of cutting out for speed, it would be even faster if you verbally declare what you are doing and feel free to cut chips out of stack after. Next player could get to their action while you are cutting.

Also, in regards to recent rulings at Foxwoods. The last thing the floor should do is change bet sizes. When someone says all in before mucking then he is either all in with no hand or he folded. Or in the other situation with jpsy don't just make it 20.

Quit changing bet sizes for rulings!!!!

Yesterday was weird. After dinner I came back and sat at 1/2 (shoot me) and they opened a new table. The rack had $300 in red and 1 black. The rest were yellow and white and it was full. Floor person who opened the table doesn't say to buy the yellows and go to cage with them. She in fact says go to cage because there's only $300 in reds. So everyone goes to cage. In a span of 120 minutes there were 5 fills. Completely Unacceptable.

The floor seemed to not be a full fledged floor. Like a fill in. But they need to understand the importance of table selection when opening a game

Anyone know details of the BBJ today? I left at midnight and woke up at 8 to find out it got hit again.

I wasn't in hand, but heard it was at table 75...2/5nl. Straight flush over straight flush. Gut shot. Was also told only 2 regs at table, mostly randoms. (Again all heard third hand but reliable source)

A lot longer than a month.

Makes it hard to start a game shorthanded.

Dealer will tell you that if you get 3 and four bet folds preflop it's free.

BS, that $1 at flop costs a lot more over time

They do that to PLO games ALL the time. When we ask to buy out the yellows they tell us no, because tomorrow they're probably going to open the table as a 2-4 table

This is what I love about the Commerce Club. Dealers carry a small amount of chips to make change if needed. Players buy chips from chip runners, who usually have them in their pouch. No rack. No fills.

What a shame that no card room on the East Coast can implement this.

i believe parx uses chip runners…it speeds up the game for sure…dealers just deal and don't have to count out cash/chips for rebuys

Mohegan'a first poker room did this. Made too much sense, so they stopped.

Foxwoods use to have chip runners too. Actually the drama that closed the first Mohegan room caused the change. To track cash transactions foxwoods stopped allowing cash to play in pot. It plays on table but needs to be changed if it is swept to pot. So the need to change hundreds mid hand required more chips in dealer rack. Thereby making runners less necessary.