I didn't realize that good pokers don't tilt at all. Thanks for the lesson, sir.

just stick to BJ you were killing it.

FYP.

TBH, there's a whole BBV thread where you can post these sorts of hands. Virtually everyone on this forum (and also every other forum) can tell you a similar story. While I didn't serve my message with milk and cookies, there is an important lesson that can be learned from it, if you chose.

/thread derail

Off to the woods!

The 5/10 kill game is a good game. I like it running over at table 20, great tv table...saw Tex's walkoff there...fun stuff.

I agree with the opponent observation. This is one of the reasons I can't stand 1-2nl, the pure idiocy annoys me. The better players in the room I feel are at 10-20 lh, 5-10nl, and 20-40stud<.

5-10 does have a very old school following, and a distinctive feel to it. If you've played 5-10 with any regularity, I am sure you have played me, and a about twenty others, I could name, or at least pick out in a lineup lol.

It is basically a 10-20 that slows down for awhile depending onn the table. The subtleties of playing against the moving up yellow chippers, and the table waiting 10-20< players, and the ever present regs. can be very fun.

Jet

I think limit hold'em gives the impression that people have some clue whats going on, because you can only butcher a hand so much.. In no limit you can get it all-in drawing dead and lose your whole stack. This is more reason to play no limit if you are decent, because the mistakes people are gonna make will be a lot more costly than those in limit.

As far as the 4-8 players being some of the best, LOL.. I think a lot of low limit players look at high limit games and see how aggressive it can be and think "OMG these guys don't know what they're doing".. But they fail to realize playing against LAGs that put you in tough spots all the time makes the games a lot tougher. When some nit at 4-8 3 bets you and you know he has TT-AA or AK, it makes it much easier to play correctly postflop.. When you are against a guy who mixes in other hands you are playing more of a guessing game later.

Yeah, it's not close. Anyone who's good enough is going to earn a bankroll for or take shots at the bigger games and eventually stick. The rake at 4-8 is the exact same $2 flop and $4 max as it is at 20-40 (plus no jackpot drop in the bigger game). Game selection will reveal some surprisingly similar fish. So aggressively moving up is part of being one of the best players in the room.

Brian, your lay down was correct. However, I am trying to avoid 1/2NLH at FW ,
MS or any other big poker room because of it's unpredictable nature.
Seriously, I have to be more alert and concentrated at those 1/2 games.

For example you did not disclosed the stack sizes of raisers at your hand.
These guys prob can raise and reraise just because they already won
"enough" money at their point. Or they simply had a confrontation before and that hand was just another battle between the guys.
Sry, but venice10 is right, and the lesson for you is that you have to work on
your tilt moments. We all do...
Recently I lost my stack with a FH (about $2K) in one hand to an only one possible bigger FH. I was on tilt for only couple minutes... Then I took a brief walk. Then I came back and played hyperaggressively for next 20 minutes ,
talking and showing of my "tilt" so I got $1.5K back.
If there is a thread about tilt "recipes" I would like to read it.

I feel Brians pain a bit. its tough to sit down sometimes and watch idiots raise and call with **** for hours when you are laying hands down because of the sheer amount of money being wagered. in my experience at foxwoods the times i have succeeded was when I wasn't gunshy. playing with scared money never works. sometimes you raise utg with qq and get two people going all in over the top for your 300 buyin. yah good poker logic says you ahve to be beat by at least one, but good poker logic doesn't always work here and you ahve to adjust.

that being said, i stopped playing cash games there because honestly, i'm not rolled right. a player rolled right would be able to make the call with AK figuring that there is just as good of a chance (maybe even better) that they are going to show up with exactly what they had. and if they show up with AA, KK, QQ etc oh well just buy back with another 300 and don't let it phase you.

slingtown I know what your saying being short money makes winning and decisions that are easy seem impossible

But knowing that your not rolled rite is a huge plus

I see so many people that are broke take their case 200 knowing that if they lose there broke.....anybody that can win on case money is a great player but win rates are small

I no for a fact if I had an unlimited bankroll I'd be dangerous but with my bills it's hard for me to get to that point

U need confidence with your decision making and with no br you'll fold hands that u have no business folding and players that pick up on it will be all over it

Good luck and good for u not playing with short paper

I don't think I called an all in with AK without generous pot odds. A lot of them call and take a flop with QQ on down.

Same problem for me, as I'm sure is also true with most people here. Fact is, you're right that confidence is a must. It's easy to be very gunshy at 1/2 because of how insane the action is. But you can't play scared. You committed the money, it's time to use it right and use it well. People are spewing their cash nonstop at these games, it's up to each of us to overcome the fear of risk and exploit that. I can totally understand that, if you're getting great odds to chase some big flush draw, it's easy to not chase because you're too worried about committing money. But you know what, you just gotta do it in order to be a profitable long-term player.

When in doubt about committing money in 1/2 or other games, just realize that most people playing that game absolutely suck. I'd guess a good 70-80% of players out there have less than a year of experience and/or will probably give up the game within a year or find themselves doing it no more than some "fun" thing every now and then and not take it seriously. Don't forget that anyone can play poker, and thus it has a huge turnover. Just knowing that you're actually in the minority of people who play more seriously and regularly, who actually take time to come to this forum, and who just know the game better than most of the donks at 1/2, that's a big confidence builder. It may be arrogance, but it's the truth, and it's necessary to remind yourself and to push yourself into playing better.

Made my way down here tonight for the first time this month. It was busier than how Fridays have been lately... dunno if it was because of the new BBJ or WPT satelites. There was a lot of talk by both players and dealers about an almost BBJ-paying hand last night that got 1-outed: KK vs T9h, KQJh flop, K turn (jackpot!), Ah river (9h no longer plays!). Doh!!

The ace of hearts..?!? So that turns into a 1 card royal flush if so that's disgusting am I reading this rite??

I don't think this is getting enough draw... The guys got a k high str flush and a 1 card royal I think he should get paid... The ace makes the higher hand but he has a made 5 card hand...

I guess rules state that hand must be best possible hand that's such a sick beat it's scary.... If I was him I make a bee line to the gaming commission

On a side note what's going through the mind of the guy with 4 kongs suppose that was his last money for the month and that happens... Oh my.. This very well could be the worst beat in poker/gambling history

You would think the gaming commission would be an outside agency, either the state or the feds, unfortunately this is not the case. I had a problem there 6 months ago and went to the gaming commission. First question I asked was "Who do you work for?" Answer was a simple "we work for the casino and make sure all the rules are followed." You have no chance with the commission, don't waste your time. It's a joke.

you know i had this hand at foxwoods one time, i had this hand, i got it in vs aces, i shouldve folded...to the 5 bet...get stacked there a lot, love being a paying customer

You're telling me there was a runner-runner BBJ turned not BBJ hand? That is insane! Now do you guys see why I'm against the "must use both cards" rule?

How many casinos do you know of have a BBJ where you can use only one card from your hand?

This BBJ was intentionally designed to be very hard to hit. It is not like the Woods want to pay out, they just want a big number to market. I think it was around 100K last night. Last night was the first time I noticed it affecting play, guy next to me was seeing every flop, with every suited connect, no matter what the situation. It will definately loosen the play as the number gets bigger.
Jet

Not that many, but my point is that if more casinos did it, I bet it would attract even more fish. True, the prize might be smaller since it'll happen more often, but just knowing your chances of a nice payday are slightly better could be a huge plus in many player's minds.

Yeah they want it huge so the room is always packed with players (more than usual), and we want it huge so the room is always packed with fish (more than usual). Despite the extra $1 rake, I feel it's a win-win for everyone.

Really no point to going to GC. The rule is clearly stated regarding the use of both hole cards to make the best 5-card hand.

That's why the windows in the hotel rooms are locked.

I guess it's just a question of what'll have a greater impact: a bigger prize, or better chances despite a smaller one? I just personally lean towards the latter.

Heard a dealer talking about how "in 10+ years of dealing I've never seen quad 8's beaten especially with all the stipulations for this BBJ"...