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02-21-2012 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jpsychlady
I agree. I think that it is a stupid rule. In Vegas, even if you leave the room, if you come back to the room within an hour, you must rebuy with what you took off of the tables, even if you play at diff table(same stakes)
Just another odd rule at FW that doesn't seem to have any reasoning behind it
It depends on the perspective; if I move from Table A to Table B with 500BBs, the current members of Table B might object.

If I'm at Table B I don't care whether you walked in off the street with 500BBs, or came from another table, your still arriving newly at a table with more than the max (must-moves are obviously an exception). I'm not saying that I personally wouldn't like it, but that is the perspective that the rule is protecting.
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02-21-2012 , 03:07 PM
Just walked over to 5st Cafe to grab lunch and from now on they only serve pizza and sandwiches No more hot meals.... I used to like the stews and 1/2chicken for a quick bite before the tournament
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02-21-2012 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Yule
Bad Floor Ruling

2/5 NL on Monday
Player 1 bets $25
Player 2 calls $25
Player 3 raises to $75 (KK) a $50 raise
Player 4 calls $75 (QJ)
Player 5 goes All in for $122 (AQ) a $47 re-raise

The first two players fold, and it’s back to the guy with KK. He asks if he can raise. The inexperienced dealer doesn’t answer him. The floor happens to be walking by and stops at our table. The dealer didn’t really explain it very well to the floor. Then the floor says, “This is no limit, you can always raise”.

The guy with KK re-raises all in, QJ folds, and KK > AQ.


Earlier, with the same inexperienced dealer, one of the players felt he was slow rolled at the showdown. He calls his opponent an ***hole, twice. After the second time, his opponent retaliates and says you’re an ***hole. Then the first guy says you’re a f’n ***hole. The whole time, the dealer said nothing.
Obv this is super ******ed reasoning, and foxwoods floor staff is the worst ever blablabla, but the ruling here was actually correct.
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02-21-2012 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
Obv this is super ******ed reasoning, and foxwoods floor staff is the worst ever blablabla, but the ruling here was actually correct.
No it wasn't. The previous raise was $50. The all-in created a $47 re-raise. This is not a full raise and thus does not re-open the betting. There's no 50% rule here, a full raise is required.
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02-21-2012 , 05:02 PM
I was always under the impression that the 50% rule applied at foxwoods....I know i have been involved in a few similar spots in the 5/10 game and the betting was always reopened.
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02-21-2012 , 05:06 PM
50% rules applies to limit not no limit
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02-21-2012 , 05:14 PM
At foxwoods or everywhere? 50% rule applied to no limit on every online site I played on fwiw.
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02-21-2012 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jpsychlady
50% rules applies to limit not no limit
Correct.

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Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
At foxwoods or everywhere? 50% rule applied to no limit on every online site I played on fwiw.
Most B&M casinos AFAIK, including Foxwoods.
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02-21-2012 , 09:10 PM
Does mohegan use the same rule?

This should be a rule all employees should know as often as it comes up. I always see multiple players and the dealer at both places saying something different whenever the situation comes up.
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02-21-2012 , 09:36 PM
50% rule at foxwoods reopens betting in limit only. The raise in no limit must be complete in full (100%) to reopen the betting for the original raiser.
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02-21-2012 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Yule
Bad Floor Ruling

2/5 NL on Monday
Player 1 bets $25
Player 2 calls $25
Player 3 raises to $75 (KK) a $50 raise
Player 4 calls $75 (QJ)
Player 5 goes All in for $122 (AQ) a $47 re-raise

The first two players fold, and it’s back to the guy with KK. He asks if he can raise. The inexperienced dealer doesn’t answer him. The floor happens to be walking by and stops at our table. The dealer didn’t really explain it very well to the floor. Then the floor says, “This is no limit, you can always raise”.

The guy with KK re-raises all in, QJ folds, and KK > AQ.


Earlier, with the same inexperienced dealer, one of the players felt he was slow rolled at the showdown. He calls his opponent an ***hole, twice. After the second time, his opponent retaliates and says you’re an ***hole. Then the first guy says you’re a f’n ***hole. The whole time, the dealer said nothing.
Was this Thursday night? I remember the exact same bet sizes and hands Thursday night - same ruling (incorrect IMO). I was there for that. I was the guy that chopped the nut hand like 5 times in 4 hours for 1.5K+ pots and nursed $250 with 6h3h PF shoves that held up. LOL, that was a fun night.
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02-22-2012 , 06:31 AM
guys the 50% rule applies or doesn't apply depending on which dealer you have or which floor gives a ruling. Stop trying to be consistent and or/understand and enforce rules to protect the game and the players as you will only hurt your brain doing so and it's not possible. Foxwoods enjoys its reputation as one of the worst managed card rooms of it's size when it comes to these things, let's not try to make sense of it now eh? I like to just pray and cross my fingers when ever one of these situation arises and I'm involved. It's much better for my mental health.
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02-22-2012 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FishFry1984
50% rule at foxwoods reopens betting in limit only. The raise in no limit must be complete in full (100%) to reopen the betting for the original raiser.
can someone explain this? i as well thought the 50% rule only applied to LIMIT i thought a raise in any increment kept the betting open in NO Limit
thanks in advance
i for one dont want to F this up if i am at a table and this happens
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02-22-2012 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by colt45ss
can someone explain this? i as well thought the 50% rule only applied to LIMIT i thought a raise in any increment kept the betting open in NO Limit.....
No, in NL a raise has to be the full amount of whatever the minimum raise in the situation is, in order to reopen the betting. Allin raises less than this do not reopen the betting. Even FW is pretty consistent on this one.
E.G., P1 bets $50; P2 calls: P3 goes allin for $99. P1 and P2 can only call (or fold).
Also: P1 bets $50; P2 raises to $100; P3 goes allin for $149. P1 can now raise (responding to P2's full raise, he does not lose this right because of P3's less than full raise -- this is the situation I have seen most often misruled by FW floors); but, if P1 now only calls, P2 can then only call and cannot reraise.
There is a different "50% rule" in NL for a different situation, though. This is when someone (not going allin) attempts to bet more than enough to call, but less than a full min-raise. E.G., bet is $50, next player attempts to bet more than $50 but less than $100. In this situation, if he put out or announced less than $75, it's a call and he takes back the extra chips; but if he put out $75 or more, it's a raise and he must add enough to bring it up to $100 (or fold and leave his bet in). I'm not saying that this rule is enforced with 100% consistency, either, but the reason I bring it up is that I think that the existence of this "50% rule" in NL confuses people (players and sometimes floors) regarding the other one, which is a limit rule for a different situation.
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02-22-2012 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
I was always under the impression that the 50% rule applied at foxwoods....I know i have been involved in a few similar spots in the 5/10 game and the betting was always reopened.
50% rule has definitely been enforced at 5/10nl. Seen it enforced 2 ways:
1. Making a player complete his raise.
2. Allowing others to raise if an all-in put in more than 50% of the original raise.
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02-22-2012 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MJ88
No, in NL a raise has to be the full amount of whatever the minimum raise in the situation is, in order to reopen the betting. Allin raises less than this do not reopen the betting. Even FW is pretty consistent on this one.
E.G., P1 bets $50; P2 calls: P3 goes allin for $99. P1 and P2 can only call (or fold).
Also: P1 bets $50; P2 raises to $100; P3 goes allin for $149. P1 can now raise (responding to P2's full raise, he does not lose this right because of P3's less than full raise -- this is the situation I have seen most often misruled by FW floors); but, if P1 now only calls, P2 can then only call and cannot reraise.
There is a different "50% rule" in NL for a different situation, though. This is when someone (not going allin) attempts to bet more than enough to call, but less than a full min-raise. E.G., bet is $50, next player attempts to bet more than $50 but less than $100. In this situation, if he put out or announced less than $75, it's a call and he takes back the extra chips; but if he put out $75 or more, it's a raise and he must add enough to bring it up to $100 (or fold and leave his bet in). I'm not saying that this rule is enforced with 100% consistency, either, but the reason I bring it up is that I think that the existence of this "50% rule" in NL confuses people (players and sometimes floors) regarding the other one, which is a limit rule for a different situation.
thanks for the explaination but this seems weird to me p1 goes 50 p2 calls p3 goes all in for 99 p1 cant go all in and try to isolate????
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02-22-2012 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by colt45ss
thanks for the explaination but this seems weird to me p1 goes 50 p2 calls p3 goes all in for 99 p1 cant go all in and try to isolate????
Correct. p3's all-in would have to have been 100+ to allow p1 to re-raise. Those of you who have witnessed otherwise saw incorrect procedure from the dealer/floor (shocking ).
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02-22-2012 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by colt45ss
thanks for the explaination but this seems weird to me p1 goes 50 p2 calls p3 goes all in for 99 p1 cant go all in and try to isolate????
In this scenario he CAN if it's preflop due to the forced bets. Let's say at 2/5 making it $50 pre is really a raise of $45 therefore when p3 goes AI for 99 that makes it a legal bet and p2 would be able to raise again.

Remember a raise is a call then a bet. But post flop in an unopened pot one is **** out of luck if told otherwise then the floor/dealer messed up.
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02-22-2012 , 03:30 PM
whoop /latimer
Thank you both
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02-22-2012 , 08:03 PM
What is the best/easiest way to get a free room upgrade at MGM. Is it even possible? Staying next Tues. to Fri Thanks for any info.
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02-22-2012 , 08:17 PM
You mean upgrade a regular room to a suite, for free? Only chance of that happening is if you check in super late and they gave out all the regular rooms, so they have no choice but to put you in a suite. The $20 trick doesn't work there, people have gotten fired for doing it.
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02-22-2012 , 08:45 PM
Good to know. Thanks for the quick response
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02-22-2012 , 08:46 PM
20 hours of play/week and no march offers

Fuuuuuuuuu Foxwoods
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02-22-2012 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
You mean upgrade a regular room to a suite, for free? Only chance of that happening is if you check in super late and they gave out all the regular rooms, so they have no choice but to put you in a suite. The $20 trick doesn't work there, people have gotten fired for doing it.
this

i didnt get there until 10pm one night and they only had the basic King suite left. great room with a spa tub. didnt mind the upgrade one bit
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02-23-2012 , 03:32 PM
Random question why is J-lot called J-lot? are all the parking garages lettered? a friend was wondering so I figured I'd ask here
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