Yes

Stop acting like foxwoods is not at fault.

Every bar in america cards for your entrance if liquor is on site. Not to mention most have you show id when you request a drink with a tender. Foxwoods, has no one carding at doors, no one carding for FREEEEE drinks, etc. They dont card you to gamble and lose your money, they dont card for you to be on premise underage, THEY ONLY CARD WHEN THEY HAVE TO PAY OUT LARGE SUMS OF MONEY TO YOU.

How is that a correct way to run a business with a liquor license, DONT ALL BARS WISH THEY DIDNT HAVE TO CARD AND LET ANYONE IN TO DRINK, sales would be astronomical, no?

Yes, she obv knew she was breaking the rules. But they are allowing them WITH EXTREME ease to be broken.

The 30% number wasnt fact. It Was my opinion.
But I would not be surprised if it was close. 2-3 out of every ten players.

foxwood's fault? please. They card when they pay out money because I'm sure there's multiple tax related forms that need to be fill out.

I saw them card multiple people at the poker tables last Monday while ordering drinks.

I need a rule clarification. The following scenario occured in a home game but i want to see how Foxwoods or any casino for that matter would rule the action.

3 players left in the hand

Flop is 5h7h2s

Player A has QdQs
Player B has Jh6h
Player C has 5c7d

After the flop, player C goes all in, player A calls. Now player A is covered by both players and has no chips left. Player B's turn and he is contemplating a call. Player C flips over both cards showing 5c7d(two pair). (i think he was trying to scare player B out of the hand). Player B now decides to flip both of his cards over Jh6h (showing a flush draw) and still contemplates a call. Player A gets OUTRAGED because both players flipped there cards over. Obviously because he has an overpair and wanted player B out of the hand.

Player B eventually folds after arguing back and forth about showing both hole cards with more than 2 people in the hand.

What is the ruling on this or is this just BAD poker etiquette? Are the players who flipped there cards over dead hands?

Any info would be appreciated. i was not involved in this fiasco but want to get some clarification so this doesnt happen again.

shouldn't player C's card be dead the moment he flips them up and there are two other players in the hand?

Thats what i am trying to get to the bottom of. I would think 3 handed if a player flips both cards its a dead hand. Heads up would be a different story.

But really looking to get a ruling on this without drivving up to foxwoods.

it's possible they'll just give him a warning.

you don't have to drive up there you can just give them a call and ask to speak to a floor person, just make sure you get the point across and don't tell the whole story: 'three players in a hand, one guy is all in, second guy turns his cards face up'

you can also call other casinos across the country

Damn, looks like I missed a lot of fireworks. A shame that happened to her, but what can you do? You go in underage, there's gonna be risks.

As far as I'm aware, the general rule is that the instant someone flips over their cards prematurely, the hand is dead no matter what. I remember there was actually another thread here discussing crazy floor rulings, and most of the situations involved someone flipping over their hand and it being ruled dead. So this guy is no exception. Plus, showing his hand just so he can influence the action and get B to fold, that's very piss-poor etiquette.

As far as I'm aware, the general rule is that the instant someone flips over their cards prematurely, the hand is dead no matter what. I remember there was actually another thread here discussing crazy floor rulings, and most of the situations involved someone flipping over their hand and it being ruled dead. So this guy is no exception. Plus, showing his hand just so he can influence the action and get B to fold, that's very piss-poor etiquette.[/QUOTE]

Yea it was late in the night and everyone had a couple too many.

Were all pretty good friends but when something dumb like this happens everyone goes haywire.

Player C showed his hand trying to influence B to fold, i agree his hand should be dead, but what about player B who also flipped his cards over immediately after player C did, i would think his hand should be dead also, which would give player A the pot. That would have started even more fireworks. It really was a mess and piss poor ettiquette.

A players hand is NEVER DEAD. warning first time, 1 orbit penalty after that

I dunno, it seems pretty obvious that player C flipped his cards first so his hand should be dead from that point, and therefore player B's hand is live and can show his cards since it's only HU and A is all in.

Thanks for clarifying, a warning makes sense.
What if it's a cash game tho, what's the penalty in that case if not a killed hand?

There is no ruling for this in cash games. Just bad Etiquette. This is from several first hand experiences with this ruling.

Its the same concept that if the dealer deals a card face up by accident you receive a new card. But if it flips BC of your own actions you can play still with one up.

There are no warnings given for this either...just bad form. Again I've seen this ruling several times. Tournaments are different though.

you're saying that in a cash game, if it's 3 handed or more, then you can play with your cards face up without even receiving a warning?

You should of been playing 2-5 a non jackpot game

Yes...there's no actual repramanding for this.

Yes, the players should be warned not to turn their hands up in a multi way pot. If they repeat the act then they should be asked to walk for a period of time, or just asked to leave for the day.

Some rooms you're not allowed to turn your hands over, even when heads up.

xbeatax,
Were the players bad mouthing you cause they were worried about whether they were going to be paid? If so, then you can't blame them. If it was after they knew they were getting paid, then they are just Dbags.

I would have threw you some bucks.

That is true, MoheganSun has @ least 20 players banned @ Foxwoods, once banned you can't go back, & don't get banned @ MoheganSun or your on your way to AC to play Poker

Dear, if I were you I'd wait til your 21 to go into the MoheganSun. Just 1 month, they'll ban you there too

I feel the same way....

This girl wants money from all her table mates. Her share went towards the next BBJ, so I say if she wants the money she can try and get it by winning the new BBJ.

The people who are benefitting from the underage issue are the people who will be involved in the next bbj, since their jackpot will be 100K larger. Those at the table got the same amount either way.

Perhaps anyone who wins the next time should look up the underage girl and give her some money.

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Like any lottery type situation there are thousands of variables which could make you a winner instead of missing or vice versa. So I say just collect what you win, and collect nothing when you don't and don't expect free money from others. This is an unpopular opinion at the tables, so I just pretend that I would throw some money at the "bathroom break" guy, just to avoid upsetting others. But I won't be giving away money.

You should be...but it won't happen at foxwoods. At mohegan this is the case. No such luck here though.

I just got back from Foxwoods and they are still talking about the bad beat fiasco. X you are a legend.
Couldn't be truer.
What she did borders on heroic. With no expectation of getting anything in return and every expectation of getting in trouble she stood up for a bunch of strangers and one friend. This is one of the classiest acts you will ever see in a poker room. And yes she is only 20 and may have some misgivings of what she sacrificed as a result of the apparent harsh treatment she received and perhaps expressed them in anger here. But given what ultimately happened and the lack of return generosity I think she has every right to an emotional reaction.

What you did was very generous. I guess if you did it because you thought you were going to get compensated or possibly be allowed to keep the jackpot money then well it is a rude awakening to the world.

I hope in time you will realize that your actions were truly amazing and that the lesson to learn is that it is who you are that means anything. Though I don't know you, I am proud of you and what you did.

Good luck in your future poker career. I will put a good word in for you with every Floor that I know including the Floor supervisors. They are good people and hopefully will understand that maybe they can cut you some slack because you got Foxwoods a lot of good press (by giving them the opportunity to do the right thing for the other players at the table) and you showed a lot of character doing it.

As much as I am opposed to giving a guy who gets up from his seat and misses a jackpot hand anything when the jackpot hits, I think they all should have given up 25% of their jackpot winnings to you on the side. Had I been there I would have lobbied hard for that to happen and that your friend did not do that is beyond horrifying. At least you found out what kind of friend he is.