I agree with Lattimer here. Unless MS decides to get into a comp war (and I'd be all for a good comp war) why should FW get too generous with comps?

Oh I wasn't trying to defend the casino's decision here. I was genuinely curious if there were many players that would leave as a result of this, as I had no idea.

I don't know, but it would be an interesting thing to find out.

I have a question about the $600/500k event coming up this/next week. I understand that the day 1 flights play down to 12% remaining. I didn't play this event last year so I'm wondering if anyone knows which day 1 drew the largest field? And until what time did that run? I don't think I'll be able to make it down there until Monday, so I'll likely just be playing 1c. But if the average field per day is like 300-400 people, we're probably not bagging until 2-3am, right? Thanks

Biggest day 1 is typically the last flight and with this event being a best stack forward, I think you can pretty much count on that, i.e. people who bag in 1A and 1B will fire again at 1C and try to run it up.

That said, the number of entries shouldn't matter as far as the 12% number is concerned. 12% is 12% whether there are 200 or 400 players. Level 15 is the best guess, possibly 16. Should be coming back at 1,500/3,000 which is level 16 if history is any guide. That means 10 hours of play plus breaks. You should be able to tuck yourself in by midnight.

I would think that the reg players should encourage the casino to give more points to the lowest tier this would encourage the occasional player to come more often. So if you get 250 extra people into the casino on weekdays 25 to 50 will visit the poker room. As 600 on weekends your look in at 75 to 125 visiting the poker room. I would gladly give up points on my black card to play against the fresh fish.

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Well, maybe to hold on to their core customers in the face of increasing competition? Just a crazy thought...

I get where you're coming from but casinos just don't operate that way. Increased perks move up the tier ladder not down. Think of all the players who would get upset that lower players get more perks than them.

Except they stopped doing that in the poker ecosystem to some degree. A year or two ago it looked like:
1/2 NL - 1pt/hr
2/5 NL - 1.5pt/hr
5/10 NL - 2 pt/hr

So the difference between a Black Card 5/10 NL (4pt/hr) and a normal card 2/5 NL (1.5pt/hr) was quite large. Now they are both 2pt/hr regardless of how often you play.

The 5/10 NL game has gotten much less busy, and while I don't think rewards changes have driven that, I would think Foxwoods would at least be trying to increase action at the higher NL and PLO levels. These changes certainly don't help things.

You completely missed my point. TFing seemed to be suggesting that they should give more points to base tier players than black/gold/platinum/whatever players in order to draw more of them in, and I was saying that casinos don't do that.

Casual, occasional players pay almost no attention to comp points/hr, IME. Regulars pay intense attention to comps.

I'm a "fresh fish" and appreciate the offer. Thanks.

My card is one above wild (too lazy to look it up). In October, I will get 45 points just for showing up on Sunday and Monday. It is a significant incentive along with the free rooms.

That was my point - for poker at Foxwoods, they ARE doing something like giving lower point generating players more. Players get the same points for 2/5 NL and 5/10 NL, even though higher stakes games are raked at a higher rate. It doesn't make sense. At least when there was a black card there was some "extra status" to playing frequently/higher stakes, but now there is absolutely none.

So on a point/rake paid basis:

They are going to be giving base tier players more points/$ rake at 2/5 NL than a former black card holder gets at 5/10 NL. With no way to earn status that changes that.

Okay...changing the subject a bit. Does stud 8 only play in the higher stakes mixed games or not at all? I enjoy the game but I never see it running at the lower stakes. I'm guessing I'd be wasting my time putting an interest list for stud 8 in the 5/10 or 10/20...


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75/150 stud 8 runs sporadically and usually turns into a mixed game
20/40 stud 8 runs less often
15/30 OE even less often

never seen lower but I'm not a reg

Will likely see more mixed games during the upcoming series as there are a variety of non hold'em events

Re limit games, does anyone have a sense for how the limit tourney structures in the upcoming series will play?

No more black cards... What a shame.. For real.

So okay admist all the confusion, hoping someone could give a straight correct answer. How many points per hour will a current black card holder make at 2/5 starting Saturday? 2 across the board now? Everyone gets the same? And tier points?

Does anyone know what MS offers right now in equivalent? Come Saturday, who has the higher Rakeback?

Answers in red. TC = Tier Credits

*there is a Monthly Choice Benefit available for Gold/Platinum/Diamond card holders. Two of the choices are point multipliers for Slots and Table Games. Right now I don't know if that applies to points, tier credits, or both; nor do I know if poker falls under either category.

For poker players is there a significant advantage to Platinum compared to the Gold card?

I just received an email from FW telling me that I'm getting a Gold card (I'm Crown now), presumably based on last 12 months. I played about 1000 hours in the last 12 months. It apparently requires 4800 TC to qualify for Platinum. If they were awarding 8 TC/hr for the last 12months, I would have made this easily (8000 TC). So unless they're doing this differently going forward, I question the 8 TC/hr. Can anyone clarify this?

Yes, because

"presumably based on last 12 months. "

this is not the case. For most people they made a lateral transfer regardless of play over the past year. They did not retroactively apply the new system to the past year.

OK. So do we know how it works going forward? (IE, what - if anything -do we start with, and what do we need to do over what period of time to move up)?
Also, the FAQ indicates that we will be starting with some sort of balance, but it doesn't really clarify this (or whether it refers to TC or not).
I suppose I could wait until the weekend and ask at a Rewards Booth, but my past experience does not give me a lot of confidence that they will have correct info, especially where poker is concerned.

So if the 1/2 NL games are 2 points an hour...that is 8 TC. Which means you only have to play 600 hours to reach the next level.

That shouldn't be a problem for all the regs

You're refering to this I assume:

"Absolutely not! We have converted all of your points from October 1, 2015 to September 30, 2016 to Tier Credits for you. Your points still remain for you to spend in food, beverage, retail stores, etc. You now also have a Tier Credit balance which will start over on October 1st and will go towards your October 2017 to September 2018 Tier Status. Gold, Platinum and Diamond card holders will also be eligible to select their Monthly Choice Benefit effective October 1, 2016."

I don't know how they are converting current points into new TCs. If I had to guess it's 1-1 but I don't know. Find out Saturday I guess. But yes it seems you will already have a head start on your cards for next year.

Also to your other question, this is also in the FAQ:

Wonder 0 - 899 Tier Credits
Gold 900 – 4,799 Tier Credits
Platinum 4,800 – 31,999 Tier Credits
Diamond 32,000+ Tier Credits