But it's Mohegan taking the players and not the 23 tables in Springfield full of familiar faces from years past.

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C’mon now. A 2/5 player said it was Mohegan. How can you argue that? Don’t you remember? When we played 2/5, we knew everything, duh


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In my view, Poker room competition is good until it isn’t. While there is no doubt it’s better for player experience , comps, promos etc, spreading the fish and rec player pool out to far decreases your chances of being at an amazing table in my view. Having the player pool forced to be in 2-3 rooms makes game selection better. The more games there are to chose from, the better chance you have to table select and find one that has 2-3 spots vs having maybe one spot at each table and 7-8 regs or grinders.

Of course making money isn’t my only objective tbh, for instance in Vegas I play at the encore even though my edge is much less in that room but I’m willing to sacrifice EV because it’s just such ana amazing room - but that’s vegas. Not New England rooms which are Mostly holes.

So when Wynn opens it will over really over for FW poker. Thank God for Parx

I don’t think it will be over. It will become more of a place for people that live nearby. Most of MA residents will travel to their State casinos. But it will definitely see a change in numbers there for sure, and it will make them rethink how to run a poker room again.

Wynn/Encore will impact NH/RI/Springfield more than it will the CT rooms.

This remains to be seen, but I actually think Springfield will be the least impacted. Hartford and Springfield population goes there and what a PITA it is to go into Boston for them. But then again, most poker players around Boston have been playing NH already, so maybe it doesn't hurt FW much at all as the guys who hate being at home keep going to get the free rooms.

My personal situation is I'm coming from the Worcester area, and will dread the encore commute and bet it'll be longer time wise for me to get to Encore, than MGM (45 minutes), FW(1 hour) and Salem NH(65 minutes).

FW will survive in some capacity, just need to revamp the place (ditch the 90s jazz color scheme) and stop taking $2 on flop for rake. IDK how more players don't care about that.

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I think equally everywhere including CT.
We all know poker players are creatures of habits, some are too lazy to drive an extra 5 minutes nevermind 45 mins plus.

Some take Ubers to have a random dealer off the strip deal to him. Not all of us are lazy.

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I frequently play with guys who say that they can’t wait for Encore to open so they can ditch foxwoods. I also know a great many players who take the line run buses from the Boston area who will be defecting.



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Only because I wasn’t dealing on the strip those days!
Oh, and I’m not that random

I tend to agree with this.
When Boston opens, I'm sure FW will suffer some further loss, but only from those players who haven't already defected to TR, Springfield, or NH.
I would guess maybe an additional 25% reduction at FW in players. When this happens, I don't think that FW will have any trouble retaining at least some 1/2 and 2/5 NL and 2/4 LHE games, but I think there is a real chance that the bigger or less popular games will go away (5/10NL has already left, and PLO has mostly moved to NH. Big mixed and stud games are already less frequent.)
I think one key for FW will be to be very generous in offering free rooms, maybe even on weekends. Commute time is much less of a factor if it's 1 roundtrip per 3-4 days, vs. a 1 day roundtrip.
The other factors will be game quality (Everett will be spectacular for at least a year, maybe indefinitely, given tourists and students) and physical quality and atmosphere (a lot a players have stayed with FW vs TR because the latter is such a poorly run dump)(with physical safety and security issues). The Winn... Oops, Encore, will certainly be physically beautiful and well-managed.
It also remains to be seen if Encore and the state can/will do anything to alleviate traffic, and also how bad the traffic actually will be outside of rush hours. This will be a huge factor in lots of players' decisions.
Overall, I do not think there's any chance that FW will shut down totally (either poker or the whole place), but I do think they will have to shrink overall, somehow. It will be interesting to see how they handle this.
FWIW, offering me 25 Choice Rewards Points per week each month, on the one day per week when I can't possibly be there, isn't going to do it....

At 3pm today these were the total games running:

Foxwoods - 14 (two 2/5)
Mohegan - 12 (one 2/5)

Chasers - 16 full spread. Four 2/5 and a 5/10 with double digit lists for both games.


Foxwoods lost a ton when Twin River opened, lost a few more to Mohegan when they increased rake, lost more when Chasers became such a (deserved) hot spot, and lost a ton more when MGM opened. I don't see who is left for Foxwoods to lose to Encore except maybe another small group similar to the ones that left due to the rake increase. The only people there now are locals, those within 45 min to where TR or MGM isn't any closer, and those here during a tournament series or HH promo.

Are people really going to drive from CT and Westerly, RI area to Boston on a regular basis? The Boston people have found homes at Chasers, the RI'ers are at TR. The people who would be leaving for Encore have, for the most part, already left.

Doubtful, they will cut the room in half, put slots where the poker room used to be and like I said thank God I can go to Parx cause it's over.

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#FAKENEWS

I'm a Boston guy who still goes to Foxwoods but will be leaving for Encore when it opens.

With every rule comes an exception. You seem to be the exception from what I see unless there is a tournament series in town. Those 30 additional games at Chasers and Twin River yesterday that didn't exist 18 months ago consisted primarily of the old Foxwoods player base.

You are not alone

If encore Boston is even half as nice as the Encore Vegas Room is...many players will never go to Foxwoods again. For me personally...coming from CT - I’ll play less, deal with the traffic and never play at the woods again. I can afford to stay up there for a weekend to pkayso for me it’s an easy choice

Guess there are more exceptions to your rule than you thought.

I would respectfully disagree with your assessment that the games at Chasers and Twin River are primarily populated by Foxwoods defectors.

Almost all of Chasers players are from the old Rockingham or defected from Seabrook or Hampton Falls The amount of players who have abandoned Foxwoods to play at Chasers is negligible. I have played over 8K hours at Foxwoods in the past 10yrs and can honestly say while I have seen some Foxwoods guys at Chasers they are there during the week because they live near by but will always be at Foxwoods that weekend. Most of the regs at Chasers are from Lowell or Lawrence and couldn't find Foxwoods if you hit them in the head with a map.

I cannot comment as surely about Twin Rivers except to say that I have been there approx a dozen times and have only seen a few faces each time I was there that I recognized from Foxwoods.

I think you are going to be shocked to see the hurt that Encore will put on all rooms not just Foxwoods... 5-10 minutes of traffic getting in or out is not going to stop people from going there. Also the new player pool from the Boston area of inexperienced knuckleheads is going to make experienced players flock to Encore... the games are going to be crazy juicy. I challenge anyone who has played at Encore in Vegas to tell me they'd rather play at Chaser, Foxwoods, or Twin River. Jus sayin'

I cringe everytime I see it get folded around to the button who decides to “just call” & both blinds call resulting in the Dealer raking 1/3 of the pot.

I am going to assume that this traffic time is estimated for a poker player that times his/her arrival for around noon, +/- 1 hour and departs after 11p.

You guys are totally discounting how great the new buffet is going to be

See...now this makes up for all the back and forth views and opinions on here the past few days....this post right here! Lol! C’mon festival buffet!!! Lol!

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