Oh yeah! The $50 gas cards!
Another thing they decided to take away

Curious to know-
Are there any players here that are considering playing at Mohegan as a result of the increase in rake?

Or whatever casino close enough to them

Lol well yeah, you pulled up the one place where the take was close to what Foxwoods used to be and is now equal in many of those rooms. What about the other 48 states? California? FL? The majority are 5+2 or even 6 in some Cali rooms.

You don't have to research the poker comp packages as outside of CT there really aren't any. You are still spoiled to death as a Foxwoods player and don't even know it. Anyway, now that they did up the rake the Mohegan package smashes Foxwoods for regs now. 72 hours a month (16.6 hours per week) gets you a DAILY $10 food coupon in addition to all the other goodies once you earn the equivalent card level.

I passed those take amounts in response to your comment about “lowest in the country”

To me this is a non point.
As I posted before
“I don’t buy the argument that some are paying 6, so we should be happy with 5.”

“At some point Foxwoods and Mohegan decided this was an appropriate amount for THIS area, not California, not Australia, but this area. And they decided this with making profits in mind and their only agenda.”

You say close to, and now equal to many...

Of the 29 vegas rooms listed,
6 of them are $5
4 of them are $3
19 of them are $4 !

The average of the comps come to 1.31 an hour

I think it’s misleading to say they’re now equal to many of those rooms

Seems they’ve moved more toward the minority of the rooms.

And foxwoods is dead last in comp points per hour. Actually foxwoods at .85 was lower than all 29 rooms listed.

I’m not that interested in the comp situation as much as I am the rake amount.
For some reason, I think comps and points per hour are a much hotter issue for people.

I don’t think it’s fair to characterize players who want to keep comps from lowering and rakes from going up as “spoiled”.
it implies that we are getting more than what’s fair to us and are ungrateful for it.
I have never heard anyone complain about the rake amount or the comp amounts until these changes. That doesn’t sound ungrateful to me.
To me what others are paying is a false relativism. It could be considered that they are all getting ripped off and what we were paying is closer to fair. Is it spoiled to want to keep it that way?

What amount is fair is very arguable, but what i’m saying is that comparisons to other states don’t matter. If the players are the only ones trying to keep it “fair” by conceding that they’ve been paying less than others, well then they’ll be the only side between the casino and customers doing it. The casino don’t consider “fair” in their equations.

Just for fun I took a look at how many hours I played from 10/1/16-9/30/17.

Starting with 0 foxwoods reward points after 186 hours of play (and not getting my gold card until march of 2017...also missed out on 2 of the $25 comps in September for taking time off) with all of the comps received (choice benefit + weekly extra points for showing up) I'm currently sitting on 919 foxwoods points.

I rarely spent any points over the last year due to not actually wanting anything but would have easily pushed 1000 points earned if I didn't miss picking any up. This puts my total comp points over 186 hours are just around 5 pts/hr. The average rake per hour of a 1/2 player is probably somewhere between $12-15/hr. That's approx 33% rakeback.

As for the rake increasing. Wouldn't a standard preflop raise size to $10 that gets called by the BB get $3 taking off the top previously? ($1 for the flop, $1 @ the 20 and 1 for the BBJ)? If you're never limping in (which i'm not) how big of a difference will this increase make on your bottom line??? Am I overlooking something?

Assume that the hand sees a flop.

Pot size ... Drop before ... Drop now
$4-9 ... $0 ... $2
$10-19 ... $1 ... $2
$20-29 ... $3 ... $3
$30-39 ... $4 ... $4
$30-49 ... $5 ... $5

We’re not talking about the BBJ or HHJ dollar just the rake.

The difference is, once that pot reaches $50, an extra dollar is coming out of your pot.
Also, in pots where there are limpers, your $10 bet may have them fold to you with one less dollar in it.
This extra dollar actually does make a difference, and especially in lower stakes games- the 1/2 no limit and the low stakes fixed limit games in particular will feel the most impact.

Although not technically correct to do so, most equate the BBJ drop as rake due to the extreme variance it carries.

I'm not understanding this correctly, sorry.

Are you saying if someone limps and i raise and they fold preflop an extra dollar is taken out? I thought the rake is taken postflop meaning preflop wins are unraked? If so then yes i agree an extra dollar taken out then is a significant difference. Guess I haven't noticed before?

In any event thanks latimer for that chart.

I think in clide's example the limps are pre-flop and the $10 bet is post-flop.

Yes, thanks. My bad

Does anyone know how many tier credits are earned per hour for 2/5? I feel like it's in the neighborhood of 6. If so, gold wouldn't be that hard to reach in 6 months.

More incentive to never limp.:-) It does suck when you're in the BB though when you get to see a free flop you have less value. :-/

4 tier credits per point so if 2/5 comps at 1.7 pts per hour that's 6.8 tier credits per hour.

SLOW CLAP

This is obviously an outdated list. Luxor is closed, and I'm pretty sure the others rooms have since gone to $5.

Any chance the higher rake actually makes the low NL games better? Driving good players to Mohegan while the fish don't even notice the changes

Article was dated April 4, 2017

Yup. Most lv strip poker rooms went to $5 during wsop. Caesars is the only one raking $4. And maybe TI

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There will be little to no difference in the long term. Maybe for a month or two at most the games will be slightly worse at Mohegan Sun. The best players will always go where the games are better, causing a balancing effect to the point where everything is basically ~balanced and games are seemingly equal

Tell me more about these strip poker rooms.

Only you.

As Takeallmymoney mentioned, it's 6.8 tier credits per hour played. So under the new system, poker only players need to play 59 hours in 6 months to hit gold and 295 hours to hit platinum. I played an 11+ hour session on Sunday and have 77.68 tier points.

In essence, one could just come and play the Monday Madness each month and hit gold.

The real question in my mind is what will the gold be worth next month? The only value for me personally is the choice benefits. Sure, I enjoy 5% off of food once in a while, but that isn't any kind of motivator for me to keep gold. 75 points or $75 each month is.