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04-21-2010 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wilherrera
However, we may limit some jackpots to lower limit games: many players that play 10/20 or 15/30 and higher are not really interested in jackpots.
Yes, please don't collect any jackpots in my 15/30 game. Things like this are definitely what FL rooms (especially those in competitive markets like Tampa and S Fla) need to be thinking about if they want to establish themselves as the home for the midstakes games. Cutting the rake when games get short (as seems to be standard in the Vegas midstakes games) or even offering a reduced rake for all midstakes games (I think the Venetian successfully used this strategy to develop a regular 15/30 LHE game) would go a long way towards attracting midstakes players as well

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Originally Posted by Pokernoahc
The big question that we have is how many players are out there that want to play bigger, but do not do so in FL because the games are not currently offered.
I'd imagine there are a lot of players like me who never play at the FL card rooms but who play a lot of online LHE and would be willing to drive to a card room if regular 10/20 - 30/60 games get spread.
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04-21-2010 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KyndGroove
I'd imagine there are a lot of players like me who never play at the FL card rooms but who play a lot of online LHE and would be willing to drive to a card room if regular 10/20 - 30/60 games get spread.
I just wanted to second this. Although I'm in VA, I travel to Las Vegas and Tunica just to play LHE. I'm sure my wife would much prefer Florida to Tunica for sure. In addition, flights are much cheaper to Florida than to Tunica/Vegas.

However, even with the nice weather and beaches but no mid-stakes LHE, I'd be unlike to make the trip more than once.
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04-22-2010 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by VTJon
I just wanted to second this. Although I'm in VA, I travel to Las Vegas and Tunica just to play LHE. I'm sure my wife would much prefer Florida to Tunica for sure. In addition, flights are much cheaper to Florida than to Tunica/Vegas.

However, even with the nice weather and beaches but no mid-stakes LHE, I'd be unlike to make the trip more than once.
Was at the Isle last night and it seems like there are a lot more players looking forward to playing 8/16 and 15/30 limit then most people think. I was chatting it up with a few of the older guys that you can tell had a ton of money and they go to Vegas a few times a year to play mixed games limit, two were going next week to play 10/20 Omaha 8, Stud and Holdem. So IMO there is going to be a few casinos, like the Isle and Hard Rock that will always have limit games going on.
Plus it is a easy sell to the wife, stay at the Westin Diplomat Resort & Spa in Hollywood, she will not even care that you are not around. If you ever go there I go to the beach just north of the condos next door, just look for the guy with the big belly reading a book with his Yankee cap on. If you go this week my belly looks like a giant hairy tomato, got a mean sunburn last week

This resort was built when they thought Florida was going to get casinos, so when Florida wakes up and gets resort casinos this one is already set up, just roll in the tables and slots.

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04-22-2010 , 04:31 AM
Wow, this sounds like great news for me I guess. I am moving to Mobile, AL in the next few months for my wife's new job there and I found out there is a card room in Pensacola. Even though it's a dog track, they will still not have to abide by the $100 buy in law correct? Just looking forward to a nice poker game in Florida once I move. Thanks.
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04-22-2010 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lvkajunkid
Even though it's a dog track, they will still not have to abide by the $100 buy in law correct?
Dog tracks, horse tracks and jai-alai frontons all fit the definition of "pari-mutuel facility." They are the only places in Florida that are authorized to have cardrooms. The Indian casinos have poker rooms, but they are not technically in Florida and are not "cardrooms" under Florida law.

All Florida cardrooms and the Indian poker rooms will have uncapped poker on July 1.
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04-22-2010 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by wilherrera
PX,

Mardi Gras is 21 and over due to the fact that we are actually on the Casino/Slot floor and not in a separate area.

By the way, I know you have read this a lot already, but great work on the updates.

Wil Herrera
Director of Poker Operations
Mardi Gras Casino
Hello Wil
Greeting from all the NaplesFortMyers players. We miss you LOL.
The dealers told me yesterday they are thinking about a $20-$40 limit game.The track this had a lot of interested player for this level. DAMN.
I see you are doing a great job and good Luck.
Jim, Marge,Lenny
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04-22-2010 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Gambit2300
If you go this week my belly looks like a giant hairy tomato, got a mean sunburn last week
LOL. If you're embarrassed by that, a XXXL blue hoodie can probably cover that up.
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04-22-2010 , 10:58 AM
We are not sure yet if there will be Min and Max buy ins and that they will be multiples of the Big Blinds and be "set", by a set of state rules (most likely they will be), or will be up to the card room managers.

Make sure you talk with your poker buddies and the other regulars at the Room you play in and get an idea of what games and buy ins you WANT spread, a GOOD card room manager wants to keep the regulars and the "Big Game" players happy , let the managers know what we would like to have spread...this way they will be more prepared come July 1st.


It's great to see the excitement!

For all of us who live in Florida or used to visit years ago, you remember when you had to go on the boats for real poker or when you were told by a friend or relative "Oh you should go to the Indian Casino in Hollywood they have Texas Hold'em Poker and when you went there you found out it was .25 .50 $10 Max Pot...and was almost always capped with no more bets allowed before the river...LOL

Even with the SLOW progress we have had to get to the Promised Land, Florida already ranked near the top as far as number of total poker tables...

July 1st should be a National Poker Holiday for Poker Players like Thanksgiving...
We should celebrate by a Feast with the Seminoles at the Hard Rock...
The main course instead of Turkey will be Donkey...hope its good with cranberry sauce.

Good Luck All and Happy Donksgiving

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04-22-2010 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by naplesplayer
Hello Wil
Greeting from all the NaplesFortMyers players. We miss you LOL.
The dealers told me yesterday they are thinking about a $20-$40 limit game.The track this had a lot of interested player for this level. DAMN.
I see you are doing a great job and good Luck.
Jim, Marge,Lenny
Hi Guys!

I miss all of you over there as well. It was a great year over there with great co-workers and great guests.

I agree. I think that you will see a lot of limit games from 4/8 to 30/60 and higher.

Thanks for the kind words and give everyone my best!

Wil
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04-22-2010 , 12:01 PM
For all the folks asking for a listing of various card rooms, this is great:

Poker Atlas

Click the map on the left side of the page.
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04-22-2010 , 01:20 PM
Daytona beach benefits directly from the lack of supply ni the Orlando area. And if im not mistaking they are the second highest earning Pari in the state behind one in WPB. Obviously this is directly related to the lack of a venue to such a huge market. This raises the obvious question, why? I believe there is a reason, not sure exactly, be it Tampa local politics etc. If someone would have some more insight on this please share would be great to know. Now speaking abotu Daytona, Im in between Daytona and Melbourne (Club 52) and know for a fact there is alot more people on a daily basis in Daytona so havign an equal choice of drive to both, Daytonas the obvious choice, although the quality of play in comparison to Melbourne is alot more advanced it seems for whatever reason.

Also should note if your interested in games other then NLHE, Daytona Beach is your place. They run the widest range of games on a daily basis I have seen outside of the Indian res.
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04-22-2010 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by iBETuLOST
We are not sure yet if there will be Min and Max buy ins and that they will be multiples of the Big Blinds and be "set", by a set of state rules (most likely they will be), or will be up to the card room managers.

Make sure you talk with your poker buddies and the other regulars at the Room you play in and get an idea of what games and buy ins you WANT spread, a GOOD card room manager wants to keep the regulars and the "Big Game" players happy , let the managers know what we would like to have spread...this way they will be more prepared come July 1st.


It's great to see the excitement!

For all of us who live in Florida or used to visit years ago, you remember when you had to go on the boats for real poker or when you were told by a friend or relative "Oh you should go to the Indian Casino in Hollywood they have Texas Hold'em Poker and when you went there you found out it was .25 .50 $10 Max Pot...and was almost always capped with no more bets allowed before the river...LOL

Even with the SLOW progress we have had to get to the Promised Land, Florida already ranked near the top as far as number of total poker tables...

July 1st should be a National Poker Holiday for Poker Players like Thanksgiving...
We should celebrate by a Feast with the Seminoles at the Hard Rock...
The main course instead of Turkey will be Donkey...hope its good with cranberry sauce.

Good Luck All and Happy Donksgiving
I am amazed at the amount of people that do not understand what uncapped means, this is becoming a broken record here. UNCAPPED is no cap on buy ins, it is up to the poker room.
The law was completed already, not just drafted, just needs to be signed.
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04-22-2010 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gambit2300
I am amazed at the amount of people that do not understand what uncapped means, this is becoming a broken record here. UNCAPPED is no cap on buy ins, it is up to the poker room.
The law was completed already, not just drafted, just needs to be signed.
Does the word UNCAPPED appear in the legislation? I wouldn't think so. The state gaming board certainly could put some restrictions on these games, including maximum buy-ins--though I doubt that they would. My point is that I don't think there's anything in the legislation that specifically says "uncapped."
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04-22-2010 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
For all the folks asking for a listing of various card rooms, this is great:

Poker Atlas

Click the map on the left side of the page.
Who wants a prop bet that someone will come along in this thread in the next 48 hours with a post that says they'll be in Miami in two weeks and where's the nearest poker room?
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04-22-2010 , 03:11 PM
Will be in Miami in the upcoming weeks... Any recommendations for best place to get some action during weekday early afternoon hours?
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04-22-2010 , 03:23 PM
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Will be in Miami in the upcoming weeks... Any recommendations for best place to get some action during weekday early afternoon hours?
In the late evening you might want to try Biscayne Blvd for some low-stakes "action."
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04-22-2010 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DublingUp
Daytona beach benefits directly from the lack of supply ni the Orlando area. And if im not mistaking they are the second highest earning Pari in the state behind one in WPB. Obviously this is directly related to the lack of a venue to such a huge market. This raises the obvious question, why? I believe there is a reason, not sure exactly, be it Tampa local politics etc. If someone would have some more insight on this please share would be great to know. Now speaking abotu Daytona, Im in between Daytona and Melbourne (Club 52) and know for a fact there is alot more people on a daily basis in Daytona so havign an equal choice of drive to both, Daytonas the obvious choice, although the quality of play in comparison to Melbourne is alot more advanced it seems for whatever reason.

Also should note if your interested in games other then NLHE, Daytona Beach is your place. They run the widest range of games on a daily basis I have seen outside of the Indian res.
Daytona is a nice room, but they are actually about 4th in the State behind This Isle, WPBKC, and Orange park
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04-22-2010 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Gambit2300
I am amazed at the amount of people that do not understand what uncapped means, this is becoming a broken record here. UNCAPPED is no cap on buy ins, it is up to the poker room.
The law was completed already, not just drafted, just needs to be signed.
Read my post again.
I for one fully understand what uncapped means...and what the law does or does not cover.

I said to let your Poker room manager know "what games and buy ins you WANT spread".
So, I'm suggesting you get your input on Games and Buy-ins to YOUR poker room manager incase it will be totaly up to him.

The Law and Compact are completed...However many feel that prior to July 1, there will be some new set of rules or guidelines from the regulators...or the House or Senate, which may or may not address the multiples of buy-ins.

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04-22-2010 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chubrock
Daytona is a nice room, but they are actually about 4th in the State behind This Isle, WPBKC, and Orange park
Good to know, thank you.
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04-22-2010 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by flafishy
Does the word UNCAPPED appear in the legislation? I wouldn't think so. The state gaming board certainly could put some restrictions on these games, including maximum buy-ins--though I doubt that they would. My point is that I don't think there's anything in the legislation that specifically says "uncapped."
Line 339-340 of sb-622
Games of poker without betting limits if such games are authorized in this state to any person for any purpose.

So it doesn't say uncapped just as it doesn't say maximum, if it doesn't say maximum then there is no cap. In the old law it stated no more the $100 buy in, this one says nothing.

I believe the state gaming board does not make the laws, they enforce the laws, the laws are made in the bills that are being passed right now.
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04-22-2010 , 06:26 PM
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Line 339-340 of sb-622
Games of poker without betting limits if such games are authorized in this state to any person for any purpose.
This was struck from SB622 before passage, as an administrative correction. It is not the provision of the bill that gives us uncapped poker. It only had to do with authorizing Class III games in the state that were being given to the Seminoles in the compact. This line was unnecessary as poker is a Class II game, not Class III, so it was taken out of the bill.

Here is what Florida laws will say upon implementation of SB622 regarding poker caps, limits, stakes etc.:

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(b) The cardroom operator may limit the amount wagered in any game or series of games.

(c) A tournament shall consist of a series of games. The entry fee for a tournament may be set by the cardroom operator.
That's all. The laws used to give specifics of betting limits, but now will have none. IMO, any attempt by the DPMW to impose limits/caps by regulation will be counter to the wording of the new statute and to the intent of the legislature in removing the current limits/caps.

Florida law gives the DPMW the following authority:

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(a) Adopt rules, including, but not limited to: the issuance of cardroom and employee licenses for cardroom operations; the operation of a cardroom; recordkeeping and reporting requirements; and the collection of all fees and taxes imposed by this section.
Could the DPMW issue regulations that include buy-in caps or other such details? Yes, it is possible. However, it is looking like I, along with some others, will be participating in the rulemaking process to provide input about what is important to players. My #1 priority will be to ensure that no rules are issued which specificy any buy-in, betting, game or stake limits. I believe this to be outside the purview of the DPMW rules, and should be left at the discretion of each cardroom management.

I would be happy to hear from players your opinions about any of these matters, including any player protections you see fit to be set by DPMW rules. I'm sure there will be plenty of useful ideas that will surface that I wouldn't think of on my own.

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04-22-2010 , 06:52 PM
I'm confused, are they going to raise the Buy ins @ the NL games? Here in CT $1/$2 NL is $60 min $300 max, $2/$5 NL, $200 min, $500 to $800 max ( different casinos ) The $5/$10 NL, is $500 min, $2000/$2500 max, & the $10/$25 NL @ $1000 min, or all you can stack on the table. max.
Are they going to bring FL buy ins to a range that fits the level of play in Poker??
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04-22-2010 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
I would be happy to hear from players your opinions about any of these matters, including any player protections you see fit to be set by DPMW rules. I'm sure there will be plenty of useful ideas that will surface that I wouldn't think of on my own.
I feel very strongly that you'll cover our case very effectively.
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04-22-2010 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
This was struck from SB622 before passage, as an administrative correction. It is not the provision of the bill that gives us uncapped poker. It only had to do with authorizing Class III games in the state that were being given to the Seminoles in the compact. This line was unnecessary as poker is a Class II game, not Class III, so it was taken out of the bill.

Here is what Florida laws will say upon implementation of SB622 regarding poker caps, limits, stakes etc.:



That's all. The laws used to give specifics of betting limits, but now will have none. IMO, any attempt by the DPMW to impose limits/caps by regulation will be counter to the wording of the new statute and to the intent of the legislature in removing the current limits/caps.

Florida law gives the DPMW the following authority:



Could the DPMW issue regulations that include buy-in caps or other such details? Yes, it is possible. However, it is looking like I, along with some others, will be participating in the rulemaking process to provide input about what is important to players. My #1 priority will be to ensure that no rules are issued which specificy any buy-in, betting, game or stake limits. I believe this to be outside the purview of the DPMW rules, and should be left at the discretion of each cardroom management.

I would be happy to hear from players your opinions about any of these matters, including any player protections you see fit to be set by DPMW rules. I'm sure there will be plenty of useful ideas that will surface that I wouldn't think of on my own.
I do hope to sell my CT Condo & move in retirerment to Miami, & play some Poker. But not @ a $100 max buy in
See my post above, or just visit the MoheganSun or Foxwoods poker rms
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04-22-2010 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by F'nCAT
I'm confused, are they going to raise the Buy ins @ the NL games? Here in CT $1/$2 NL is $60 min $300 max, $2/$5 NL, $200 min, $500 to $800 max ( different casinos ) The $5/$10 NL, is $500 min, $2000/$2500 max, & the $10/$25 NL @ $1000 min, or all you can stack on the table. max.
Are they going to bring FL buy ins to a range that fits the level of play in Poker??
Come July 1, 2010, just as at the CT casinos, all the Florida cardrooms will be able to legally offer any buy-in they please.
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