No bro. I left before tournament. How you doing?

I am like a rollercoaster, up 150, back to even, down 100, back to even lol.... table that I was at was good , but it broke and I am at a new table

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Better get some sleep so you can hit the blue goose in the morning

Lol hey now don't be stalking me

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I do some work in Douglas so I've traveled thru fennville a bit

Usually I am at Hop'n... but i do breakfast at blue goose.... I have heard salt of the earth is good

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~3 weeks ago, a guy sitting next to me at the PLO table got detained by security / police while playing. A security guard walked up behind him while he was in a hand and asked the player for his ID. The player refused (he was definitely of age - they were trying to ID him). Security guard asks the player to come with him, player refuses. They go back and forth for several minutes. Player rips it all in when the pressure from security increases, which is super risky imo. lol Gets a few callers and scoops the pot with a garbage miracle hand. He finally leaves with security. The last I saw him, there was a cop standing behind him at the cage with his arms crossed.

Did anyone hear about this? Was just curious what happened.

I've played with the guy before. I don't know his name.

When he ripped it all in, I was expecting security to drag him away from the table. lol

lol. The ev of trying to play while being wanted by security or cops cant be great.

You already mentioned PLO. No need to repeat yourself here.

"Free chips tomorrow!" That's my mantra for anyone who wants to listen the next two days. Let's make sure that the 2-5 gets going both Friday and Saturday nights .. Thanks. GL

lol

Someone has a 'golden' MSPT ticket ... Yes, there was one in my Easter basket this morning! But not without drama ... I will try to filter my normal wordiness.

16 tickets up for grabs and $880 to 17th. We get down to 18 (or is it 19?) and there's a knockout on each table.

1) The Floor had just announced that we were going hand for hand the 'next' hand.
2) Floor asks each Dealer for stack size of each eliminated player and determines that the guy who shoved to my left from UTG (with 77) is the bubble boy (only had 12K looking at a 4K BB in the next hand) and proceeds to tell the Players to push their chips to the center and pull out their Player's Cards.
3) As another Floor shows up it's determined that there are still 17 players left, not 16, and both players eliminated are bubbles. I believe a player was away from the table and the original Floor had counted players 'from a distance'.

4) In the mean time, our Dealer has collected all the 5K chips from the table and put them into one pile! (Yikes) Also has a lot of the 1k chips from one side of the table piled up as well.
5) The 'regular' confusion and input from multiple players starts to roll in.
6) Floor asks our table to try and recreate stacks based on what we think we had and they will then go to surveillance to try and confirm ... more blood pressure from players.

7) Floor says they can't just 'chip in' the extra $$ to cover the 'extra' ticket.
8) Player comes up with the idea that each of the 16 ticket winners just pays the shortest stack $10 each .. thus bumping him up to $1040 from $880 .. but no ticket to the main (essentially).
9) Of course one player digs in for about 3 minutes, not wanted to 'cover' for the casino's mistake.

All's well that ends well? I was a little relieved since I was down to around 24K, but had already paid the 3K BB in the last hand of the level when the double knockout happened. I could pay the 2K SB and just hope that something happened in the next 6-7 hands while paying the 500 ante.

Very good 2/5 table that went all the way through the tournament and was still going 6 handed when I left after 3 AM. PLO was running but emptied out by 2 AM I think.

Very few slip ups at Keepers and this one was basically saved by the players thankfully. I wouldn't have wanted to have a 20-30 minute delay and then play 1-2 hands to bust the short stack. GL

Nice.

Somewhere I used to play, it was customary for the cashing players to pay the bubble $10 each, and there would occasionally be regs who would very vocally refuse to take part.

Another BBJ has been hit, with me just missing again. Hopefully we can build it back up to room share levels agian. Its sitting at 22k now.

Any thoughts as to what will drive more action, the high hand promo or bigger bbj? I feel like more players chase bad beats than are enticed by high hand promos, so from a marketing perspective they would be better off canning the high hand and building the bad beat up. Although the occasional $250 high hand does feel good.

I think promos should be location driven ... I'm sure there's good 'business' sense on both sides of the promo discussion.

I think Firekeepers could tweak the HH promo, maybe cut it down to 3 hours or something to generate a few more rollovers. I like the idea of having having the BBJ 'winnable'. FK is reg driven and I think you want players to think that the promos are attainable rather than 'out there'. Tweaking the hours may help keep (or get games started earlier) a few players in the room at slower times.

My main issue with large BBJs is that the money wont get recycled into the room like it probably does at FK. I'll tell you right now that hitting MCC for $300K would be a lot different than a $40k hit at FK for most players.

As far as driving action ... IMO HH promos drive action and attract more players (ala every FL casino) than a BBJ in a smaller market. A HH with a short time frame will create chasers ... nothing worse than a straight flush hitting the board at FK at 230AM!!

Again IMO, poker regs will chase a HH promo whereas non-poker players may take a swing at a high BBJ. Both types of players have a role in a business plan for a room.

To keep it poker simple ... you want to give a 'bad' poker players opportunities. The BBJ (certainly at MCC) typically requires a pocket pair, whereas a HH makes suited connectors more attractive. Even though you get suited connectors (including gappers) more often than a pocket pair, players tend to ignore that a straight flush is harder to get than quads or a full house. Because they 'see' them more often they get played more often.

AA v KK PF .. 18%
AA v 9Ts PF .. 19% ... but of the 2 hands, only 9Ts can improve to up to a 55% favorite without actually hitting the Flop via a pair/set/trips.

It will be a very interesting fall/winter once Gun Lake opens to see how both places handle their promos and once the MSPT gets through FK in October. Winter driving in Michigan is an issue ... GL

And on that note the BBJ was hit yet again and is now around 6K. Wow.

Normally to keep the game friendly if I have a BBJ hand and it folds to the blinds, I will play along and hint I have a BBJ hand. Last night I had a suited connector and didnt even bother. just chop it up!

FKeepers went through a stretch before where it dropped down very quickly ... and that's where I think the largest one they had ($140K?) got it's start last time. Time to change the settings on those auto-shufflers!

To keep it in perspective ... the AAAKK 'mini' at Motor City rarely got above $15K, which is basically the same qualifier as FKeepers. Yes, they have more tables and some of the fund is being siphoned off into the QvQ jackpot, but I'm just pointing out that AAAJJ getting coolered 'often' can happen. MCC has recently dropped the 'mini' in favor of HH promos on Mon, Tue, Wed and Sat during various periods of time (check Bravo).

IMO this definitely isn't good once FK gets past the MSPT in May as poker definitely slows down during the summer months when there is more to do in this state.

If you look at my situation .. with better driving conditions 'guaranteed' in the summer do I go to MCC or FK when I have 'lots' of time to play? It's an extra 40-50 minutes each way with guaranteed larger stakes and the $700K BBJ lotto as well. As all of us 'should' do, I do better against players who don't see me as much ... and that's what I get at MCC as well.

The rest of 2018 will be very interesting for poker between I-96 and I-94 for sure! GL

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't mcc bbj only QvQ... and it can't be hit with straight flush vs straight flush or straight flush vs quads... and that's why it gets so big.. I mean firekeepers could do the same thing and make it straight flush vs straight flush only... or quads vs straight flush only... and then it would get bigger than normal... a few things I always liked at soaring eagle, was the bingo board, which had hands from aces full thru all the quads and straight flushes... and they did the straight flush hands that increased 25$ every day they didn't hit... but all of that is up to the venue.... and yes hitting the high hand after 2am sucks.... I've done it a few times and stayed playing till 10am when the hands held up... lol

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I love hitting the high hand and leaving because it gives me an excuse to go back the next day!

When MCC recently went to HH promos (M-W&Sat) they dropped the 'mini' off the board. So SFvSF is now 'really' a bad beat story to tell! The point I was trying to make was that the 'mini' hit a lot ... like once a month. If you want to make an uneducated guess and say that MCC has 5x the NL play that FK does, then if FK goes past 5 months it would be losing pace.

FK has had two stretches where it hit 2-3 times in less than a month, but has also had a stretch where it went over a year, I think, when it traveled up to $140K.

Poker rooms need to figure out the balance between taking care of regs and trying to draw in the not-so-reg player. Just like those folks who don't play the Lotto unless it's over 400M ... Cuz 60M just isn't enough!! GL

Right, when u have an area with more players, the mini bbj is going to hit more, which I can now see why they went to QvQ, it's not going to hit but Maybe once a year..

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Fun hand from 1-2 last night.

I'm up against Doug. He's an older reg with a gravely voice, usually watching movies on his phone or something. He's a bit of a nit, but is playing short-stacked here and has $45 to start the hand. I raise in EP with TT to $11. Doug calls from the BB. Flop is K93. He checks, I bet $12. He jams. Normally this would be a snap call only being $24 back to me, but with Doug I have to think for a sec. Then he suddenly flips up one of his cards. It's a 9. I'm ready to call. Then I think for a second. Did he look at his cards before flipping on up, or was it just the top card? He did it quick. I can't be positive, but he may not have looked.

Is anyone making the call against him here?

I call all day with no reads.

Did he flip the card on purpose or on accident? Typically if someone flips a card over that makes his hand look like less than top pair, it’s because the other card makes it stronger than top pair.

It was very much on purpose. Im like 70% sure he didnt look at it before turning it up.

Earlier in the session we played a hand where I raised pre with AJ. Flop came AQJ. He checked, I bet 20, he raised to 55 leaving 40 behind. I just jammed and he said "youve got KT huh" and folded an A faceup.

Yeah I don’t even care if he looked or not. This is a pretty typical move to make his hand look weaker than it is.