I've heard it from a source on site. Seems to be legit.

I’ve heard this as well

They've updated Poker Atlas. Every raked game now says "10% up to $6". You can check it under offered games.

This is really unfortunate. So on hh days, it will be $6+$2 .

Well, I had to see it for myself and drove to the Encore to confirm it in person.

Confirmed, the rake went up as of 6 am this morning. And yes, as I had expected the $2/$2 PLO game changed from a raked game to a $7/every half hour time charge.

In the annoyed frame of mine I'm in, I decided not to join a game. I figured if I dropped $200 or more playing poker, which would most likely happen, I'd be beside myself on the drive home. I went downstairs, roamed around for a few minutes, convinced a waitress to give me a beer off her tray, for a $5 tip, drank the beer in 3 gulps, and I'm now headed to Mike's Roast Beef sub shop, which is a quarter mile down the street from the Encore. I really don't care for Mike's Roast Beef, but spending $30 in the Encore Burger joint would do nothing for the mood I'm in.

The good news in all of this is, one of the asst poker room managers told me the rake increase is an "experiment" that will be evaluated at a future time.

Can't believe they just raised the rake overnight to 6$ , that's just poor. And yeah your comps ? Still 1$ / hr


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Definitely better if you are using Uber/Lyft. Not so much if you are using the garage, especially if they really restrict he right lane ONLY to Uber/Lyft.

This is correct as of 6:00am on Friday rake was raised from $5+$2 to $6+$2. This is for all days not just promo days I was told.

I was playing Friday when my table noticed the extra rake being scooped and asked... the dealer played stupid so the floor was called and nervously said "upper management decided to do it this morning"... no mention of it was made until someone asked. Both the dealer and the floor were hesitant to discuss and both said the same thing: "It was upper management not me"

Like the saying says: "The price of poker is going up!!!"

I believe it's now the most expensive rake at $6+$2 in all of New England.

This development should make the "more rake is better" crowd extra happy

And you bought this line from them??? Did they try to sell you a countryside estate in Everett for a bargain price as well?

I hear Negreanu is on his way.

“I believe it's now the most expensive rake at $6+$2 in all of New England.”

I mean....where in the USA is it higher?

Cherokee

I have heard two versions of the promo drop.

One version has the rake and promo drop staying at $6+$2 all the time, and the other version I've heard is the rake and promo drop will be $6+$1 when the high hand promotion is not running.

Hopefully someone playing tomorrow (Saturday), which is a non high hand promotion day will be able to tell us if the promo drop is 1 or 2 dollars.

I am telling myself one thing for certain, I will not be putting in any marathon sessions paying $6+$2 with no high hand promotion.

I couldn't beat a $5+$1 rake, doubt I can beat a $6+$2 rake.

I need to cut my typical session down from 6 hours to 4 or 5 hours, with some breaks thrown in. I rarely take a break, but now I need to start taking breaks to keep my hourly losses reasonable.

This $6 + $2 is annoying the **** out of me cause I know it will be a fungus that will spread to the New Hampshire poker rooms.

I seriously doubt 50% of the people at a poker table could tell you what the percentage rake is, what the max rake is, and when the dealer takes it.

And I doubt 20% of the people could tell you how much the promo drop is, and when the dealer takes it.

https://www.pokernews.com/strategy/l...rges-28692.htm

For 1/3 NL, the rake is $6+$1 during non-promotional hours, and $6+$2 during promotional hours (with the $1 being taken at $10 and $30).

Pretty much since I started playing live poker 15 years ago I vaguely (yes, vaguely) remember just about every room I played in (mostly Vegas 15 years ago, but Foxwoods also), the rake being $5 max (or at least in that range).

I'm not sure what inflation has averaged in the last 15 years for various services and products, but a 20% increase in 15 years isn't terrible.

We're also spoiled as heck in the US. Playground (probably Canadas most popular room) is $14 for 2/5 games and up. Anyone here play at the Vic in London?!

Yes, overnight rake increase sucks for those that play raked games. 25 hands/hr maybe for the avg 2/5 games, extra $25 coming off the table per hour will add up.

I remember 10 years ago when Massachusetts had a charity poker room in Holbrook and they would take $10 per hand. I've played in London and Prague and I forgot how much they would drop, but it seemed higher than the rooms here. I think Foxwoods was the last room in the US to go to $5. Anyone know when that was?

Fall 2009: FW rake went from 4+0 to 4+1 (introduction of BBJ)
Fall 2017: FW rake went from 4+1 to 5+1

Appreciate this info.


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Agreed. And poker players are very unwilling to increase their games over time. Still have people playing 2-4 LHE that have been for years. By now the 1-2 game from the 1990s should be 2-5 and 2-5 should be 5-10, etc. The most I've seen was back when Foxwoods changed buy-in from $40-100 on 1-2 NLH (back then a $5/30 minutes time rake) to the current $300 max structure. I do like that Encore chose the 1-3 with $100-300 buy-in, but realistically this game should be bigger after 20+ years of growth.

Let’s assume the average pot is $40 and we get 30 hands per hour...

I’m obviously picking Twin River because the rake is a flat $5 max per hand.

Twin River - $5 max + $0
$4 ave rake/hand
30 hands/hr
10 players at the table
($4 rake x 30 hands)/10= $12/hr per person

Encore - $6 max + $2
$7 ave rake/hand
30 hands/hr
9 players at the table
($7 rake x 30 hands)/9= $23.33/hr per person

I’m not saying that Encore is or isn’t worth an extra $11.33 an hour. I’m just stating that “the cost to play” is significantly higher than other places. Obviously the room is nicer, the drinks are free and the games are generally better. But, is it worth paying an extra $80 over the course of a 7 hour session? That’s for you to decide.

Lol...i think you and i are the only people alive who remember that room. My bakery used to supply the desserts they served, and the tables paid for my new ovens.

The issue I've always taken with this math is always the number of hands. Relatively few dealers can even pitch 30 hands an hour, especially on your average "I think I'm on tv so I'll tank my Queen high call" table. At 1-3, though not too common, there are more than a few raise and fold pots with no rake and lots of limped pots that barely get close to $20. I think 25 raked hands is generous, 20 hands more likely with about 80% being max raked.

(16 x $5) + (4 x $2) = $88 ÷ 10 = $8.80
(16 x $7) + (4 x $2) = $120 ÷ 9 = $13.33

At that point you're talking an extra $4.50/hour (and you can argue the $1/hour comp offsets that to $3.50). But the other problem is you're comparing a room with promos to one without. I don't personally care for promos and I don't play specifically for them, if they're running and I pick one up, cool. But I'd rather have no promo at all. However, there is SOME added value to playing during promos in that you will win one here and there, not to mention it can make the tables softer and the pots larger. Regardless, if trying to actually do an apples to apples comparison, you shouldn't include promo rake in this argument. With that in mind:

(16 x $6) + (4 x $2) = $104 ÷ 9 = $11.55

Now we're down to $2.75, $1.75 if you're accounting for comp dollar (hate to keep including that as I have yet to use any of my comp dollars, just prefer to keep them for some day when they have a decent show or I go out with friends rather than just eating alone during a poker session, but they do have value when comparing one room to the other.) So that same 7 hour session you mentioned is probably closer to only costing $12 to $20. Add in gas/wear to drive to the competition, depending on where you live/work, and that difference becomes pretty negligible.

Then add in the not-as-relevant to rake items like Twin being a pretty awful venue or Encore being the busiest. Or the time one loses driving that extra distance to any of the competitors (assuming they aren't centrally located between Encore and something else), then I think even with the added $1 it isn't enough to persuade someone to give up Encore, even if they understand the rake discussion. Also, though Everett isn't ideal, it is a hell of a lot closer to things one might want to do/places you want to eat then Twin is.

As for "fungus infesting the NH rooms," I can't say what each NH room does, but the new rake at Encore isn't far off what Chasers has done for a while either. They're at $5+2 even when no promo runs. And the $2 comes out at $20 instead of $1 at $10 and $1 at $30. It makes it pretty tough to compare each location, but I think the bottom line from my perspective is the same. If players want to reduce the impact of rake and promos, they need to push the stakes to increase or at least move up themselves. 1/3 is an excellent example as it could easily be a $150 minimum and $400 or $500 max.

Never did make it to Holbrook before they shut down, but I dealt at Raynham during their short tenure. Good times for poker!

Max rake+jackpot at Encore is now $8, not $7. Encore and Twin both offer $1/hr comp points, but I see where you’re going.