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08-24-2011 , 03:47 AM
NVD TR:

Showed up around 830 and bought $200. I was seated at a table with 5 stacks and no players . So I asked the dealer if he wants to play some huhu . He tells me that the players went on "break". Oh well. I sat and waited patiently.

After about 15 minutes, a couple younger guys return to the table. They tell me that the other people didn't want to play short-handed. Understandable. After an additional 10 minutes, the rest of the players show up +1, so we are 7 handed.

As I was sitting at the empty table, I just plopped to the left of the two biggest stacks. The younger guy to my right quickly took role as table captain. He kept talking strategy and throwing terms like "equity" and "bluff catcher" around. He also kept trying to 'read' every hand. Was kind of funny, but at the same time a bit tilting. Guess that just comes with the territory in live poker. (No offense if you are reading this. I just think its pretty -EV to talk strat at the poker table. Why educate people?)

After some time, I look down at AA in the SB after a few limps. I pop it up to 15 and get 2 callers who are both short($100 effective stacks). Flop came 9 high and I bet $40. The $100 stack ships and I call. He tables 99. He then gloats to his buddies at the BJ table about the huge pot he just won as I ask for another $100 . He proceeds to leave about 2 orbits later. He was at the table for about 30 minutes total. Kinda annoying. Obviously the table captain assured me "well, not much you can do there with 50bb effective stacks." The table captain leaves a bit later.

Awhile later, I am UTG+1 and look down at AKo. UTG limped, who was probably the most solid player at the table,and I was very happy to have position. I raised to 8 and got a caller in the HJ and UTG. Flop came down A23r. UTG checked and I bet out 15. HJ called and UTG bumped it to $40-45 (i forget ~_~). I quickly call as does the CO. Turn is another A. UTG bets 65. I begin to tank. He seemed like a thinking player and probably knew with my UTG raise and flat on the flop, that I must have an Ace. I didn't think he would limp call utg with worse aces(except maybe AQs?), so I figured he had to have me crushed with 45, 22, or 33. I also hadn't seen him spazz out with any type of bluff. With much sadness, I fold. CO called and it went to show down. UTG had 33 and scooped the pot. UTG said "can't believe you folded an ace, nice fold." I said "thanks" and gave myself a pat on the back(however I wish I could have folded on the flop ).

After this, I start building my stack back up to $200 and look down at JJ in the SB. a couple EP raises and CO(has a ~$125 stack) raises to 15. I see he is a bit short so I decide to raise to 35 and fold if he shoves. To my surprise, the BB cold calls my raise. After about 2 minutes of hollywooding, HJ ships for his remaining stack. I do a bit of hollywooding myself and muck. BB says "I folded this earlier, don't think I can fold it now!" and calls. HJ tables KK and BB tables AQ. I give myself another pat on the back for folding.. when the flop comes J high which causes a couple of expletives to come from my mouth. Oh well, can't be results oriented. KK holds up and scoops. Now that I think about it, I think calling the preflop $15 might be best in that situation considering stack sizes. I could still be thinking results oriented; however I think I misplayed that hand.

After some time, our table breaks. My stack is once again down to $114. I contemplate adding on to $200 for the other charity but decide to just play $100. I opt for the #1 seat because there were a couple people on the other end of the table that looked like the type to gambool it up. The solid player I folded trips to sat to my direct left(whoops). First hand I look down and see QQ. I simply 3bet pre and took it down. A few hands later I got AT in the CO. there are 2 limpers and I raise to 10. BTN and 2 limpers call. We go to flop 4 handed. Flop comes A84 with 2 spades. EP limper donks out 15 and I call, as does the BTN. My plan is to shovel on any non spade turn. I figure I got EP beat because any strong hand he will let me c-bet on such a dry flop, and solid player on my left is drawing. Turn is a brick and EP double barrels. I ship my stack, BTN folds and EP calls. He flips an 8 with no FD. River is a brick spade and I double. BTN cringes and tells me he had a spade draw. I scoop and am at about 235 now.

Then, the Hooters beauty pageant came on. The guy two to my left(I think his name was Dave?) had some funny commentary for it. Eventually, he asked the floor to change the channel because it was distracting. I would have to agree with him
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After this I was mostly card dead. My highest point was about $250; however, I bled down to about $150 before we finished for the night.

Overall it was a good night of cards. I think I misplayed a few hands but overall played well. I sure did pick a bad time to get card dead, though. As a former 6max online player, I always get excited when the charity game gets down to 5-6 players. However, tonight I just couldn't get a decent hand at the end and the players at the table weren't the type I would want to bluff.
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08-24-2011 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MJCASRoma
IDK if I would actually play in a 2/4 game, I cant lie. I think that it would have to be 4/8 for me to play in it. I know that as a poker player you are supposed to adjust to the stakes that you are playing, but I have not been able to successfully do that.
Is Jeff the one from Hazel Park?

I'll throw this out to everyone, and if you want to PM me a response, great, if you want to respond ITT, cool too. 2Black9s and I are in relatively constant contact, so between us, I think that we have everything covered. To be honest, I think he just wants to have my babies... Weird, I know.
Yea me and roma are in constant contact until I start texting him about the $500 he owes me then he suddenly loses his phone for 10 hour periods.
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08-24-2011 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BananaJammers
NVD TR:...
Thanks for the TR. Well written.
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08-24-2011 , 09:00 AM
I hate to be even nittier, but I think 6/12 is the best limit for a mix game.. 2/4 is a donk fest (no offense).


Any thoughts?
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08-24-2011 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BananaJammers
NVD TR:

Showed up around 830 and bought $200. I was seated at a table with 5 stacks and no players . So I asked the dealer if he wants to play some huhu . He tells me that the players went on "break". Oh well. I sat and waited patiently.

After about 15 minutes, a couple younger guys return to the table. They tell me that the other people didn't want to play short-handed. Understandable. After an additional 10 minutes, the rest of the players show up +1, so we are 7 handed.

As I was sitting at the empty table, I just plopped to the left of the two biggest stacks. The younger guy to my right quickly took role as table captain. He kept talking strategy and throwing terms like "equity" and "bluff catcher" around. He also kept trying to 'read' every hand. Was kind of funny, but at the same time a bit tilting. Guess that just comes with the territory in live poker. (No offense if you are reading this. I just think its pretty -EV to talk strat at the poker table. Why educate people?)

After some time, I look down at AA in the SB after a few limps. I pop it up to 15 and get 2 callers who are both short($100 effective stacks). Flop came 9 high and I bet $40. The $100 stack ships and I call. He tables 99. He then gloats to his buddies at the BJ table about the huge pot he just won as I ask for another $100 . He proceeds to leave about 2 orbits later. He was at the table for about 30 minutes total. Kinda annoying. Obviously the table captain assured me "well, not much you can do there with 50bb effective stacks." The table captain leaves a bit later.

Awhile later, I am UTG+1 and look down at AKo. UTG limped, who was probably the most solid player at the table,and I was very happy to have position. I raised to 8 and got a caller in the HJ and UTG. Flop came down A23r. UTG checked and I bet out 15. HJ called and UTG bumped it to $40-45 (i forget ~_~). I quickly call as does the CO. Turn is another A. UTG bets 65. I begin to tank. He seemed like a thinking player and probably knew with my UTG raise and flat on the flop, that I must have an Ace. I didn't think he would limp call utg with worse aces(except maybe AQs?), so I figured he had to have me crushed with 45, 22, or 33. I also hadn't seen him spazz out with any type of bluff. With much sadness, I fold. CO called and it went to show down. UTG had 33 and scooped the pot. UTG said "can't believe you folded an ace, nice fold." I said "thanks" and gave myself a pat on the back(however I wish I could have folded on the flop ).

After this, I start building my stack back up to $200 and look down at JJ in the SB. a couple EP raises and CO(has a ~$125 stack) raises to 15. I see he is a bit short so I decide to raise to 35 and fold if he shoves. To my surprise, the BB cold calls my raise. After about 2 minutes of hollywooding, HJ ships for his remaining stack. I do a bit of hollywooding myself and muck. BB says "I folded this earlier, don't think I can fold it now!" and calls. HJ tables KK and BB tables AQ. I give myself another pat on the back for folding.. when the flop comes J high which causes a couple of expletives to come from my mouth. Oh well, can't be results oriented. KK holds up and scoops. Now that I think about it, I think calling the preflop $15 might be best in that situation considering stack sizes. I could still be thinking results oriented; however I think I misplayed that hand.

After some time, our table breaks. My stack is once again down to $114. I contemplate adding on to $200 for the other charity but decide to just play $100. I opt for the #1 seat because there were a couple people on the other end of the table that looked like the type to gambool it up. The solid player I folded trips to sat to my direct left(whoops). First hand I look down and see QQ. I simply 3bet pre and took it down. A few hands later I got AT in the CO. there are 2 limpers and I raise to 10. BTN and 2 limpers call. We go to flop 4 handed. Flop comes A84 with 2 spades. EP limper donks out 15 and I call, as does the BTN. My plan is to shovel on any non spade turn. I figure I got EP beat because any strong hand he will let me c-bet on such a dry flop, and solid player on my left is drawing. Turn is a brick and EP double barrels. I ship my stack, BTN folds and EP calls. He flips an 8 with no FD. River is a brick spade and I double. BTN cringes and tells me he had a spade draw. I scoop and am at about 235 now.

Then, the Hooters beauty pageant came on. The guy two to my left(I think his name was Dave?) had some funny commentary for it. Eventually, he asked the floor to change the channel because it was distracting. I would have to agree with him
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After this I was mostly card dead. My highest point was about $250; however, I bled down to about $150 before we finished for the night.

Overall it was a good night of cards. I think I misplayed a few hands but overall played well. I sure did pick a bad time to get card dead, though. As a former 6max online player, I always get excited when the charity game gets down to 5-6 players. However, tonight I just couldn't get a decent hand at the end and the players at the table weren't the type I would want to bluff.
Were you in seat 1 last night with the first table (red chips)?
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08-24-2011 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by scottyb007
I normally go in the evening and they have a 50-200 game pretty regularly...

The stakes are up to us. The rake also has to be negotiated but we hold the cards. They would love to have the only mixed game in the city. They have been pretty motivated to advertise the things they try.

I was thinking we start at around a 6/12 game and depending on the ppl that show up we can adjust the stakes. I'd play up to 20/40 but I don't think we'd get enough interest.
Hey scott, I know who you are now. But I'm down for a mix game if we throw in 2-7 triple draw, in fact that is a must for me.
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08-24-2011 , 10:02 AM
will be getting into detroit tomorrow and I am there for a month. Going to check out all the rooms but any suggestions on which one is decent? I want to play 1/2 NL
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08-24-2011 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pharoah00
Were you in seat 1 last night with the first table (red chips)?
Charity 1 I was 4 seat. Skinny pale guy with Guinness hat(always wear it while pokering. Superstitions ftw). Charity 2, I was 1 seat.
Who were you?
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08-24-2011 , 11:36 AM
Arabic kid with beats who got pissed that the black kids flush draw went runner runner two pair
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08-24-2011 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by scottyb007
I hate to be even nittier, but I think 6/12 is the best limit for a mix game.. 2/4 is a donk fest (no offense).


Any thoughts?
I hate limit poker. I'm in if we can do a 5 game nl/pl mix of holdem, plo, plo8, 2-7, and pineapple
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08-24-2011 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pharoah00
Arabic kid with beats who got pissed that the black kids flush draw went runner runner two pair
Hrm.. I think I remember the hand but don't remember who was against the black dude in the hand, and there were a couple Arabic looking ppl. Black dude was the one I folded trips to. Seemed like a good player overall.

Are we talking about the table closest to tourney or furthest? Were you the guy who came from docs?
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08-24-2011 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SenseiSingh
will be getting into detroit tomorrow and I am there for a month. Going to check out all the rooms but any suggestions on which one is decent? I want to play 1/2 NL
Strange. In the site reorganization most of my posts giving overviews of the Detroit B&M Rooms seem to have gone missing.

No biggie, they were a little out of date.

Quick Summary:
All Detroit Casinos are within about a 1 mile radius, but not a "walkable" mile.

Motor City Casino - the Busiest Detroit Poker Room. Probably best overall run Casino Poker Room in the D. Most "consistent" level of play. By this I mean, it has probably the highest number of experienced players and therefore lower variance and more "predictable". The Property is overall Very Good with a newer Hotel. Smokiest and noise from the slot machines can be distracting.

MGM Detroit - most Vegas-Like property outside of Vegas that I've been to. Good room. Gets a little loud on Friday/Saturday nights with the music spilling out of the adjacent nightclub. Can get fishy at the same time due to the drunks spilling out of the same adjacent nightclub.

Greektown - the most worn Casino Property in Detroit, but relatively recently completely renovated the Poker Room and the Room is on par with other rooms in the D. Also most accessible via People Mover and Renaissance Center.

Caesars Windsor is just over the border - need a passport.

Many Michigan "Charity" Poker Rooms throughout the area, but for a visitor I'd recommend the "Big Three"

All rooms have 1/2NL TxHe

Given that you're here for a month, feel free to ask those of us in this thread for specific suggestions. We're a pretty social bunch.
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08-24-2011 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pharoah00
I hate limit poker. I'm in if we can do a 5 game nl/pl mix of holdem, plo, plo8, 2-7, and pineapple
Some games just can't be played nl/pl. I know that ppl don't like playing limit games, but trust me, learn to play limit and your nl game will be that much better...

I think we leave it in the powers that be hands and let them decide what we should do.. jus know im antsy to play this game
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08-24-2011 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pharoah00
I hate limit poker. I'm in if we can do a 5 game nl/pl mix of holdem, plo, plo8, 2-7, and pineapple
Yea unfortunately this is not happening. I'm pretty sure most people would add limit 2-7 triple draw, but I for one very much enjoy playing limit games, in fact much more than nl, which is part of the main reason for playing.
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08-24-2011 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pharoah00
I hate limit poker. I'm in if we can do a 5 game nl/pl mix of holdem, plo, plo8, 2-7, and pineapple
I agree with you... I will play all the games you listed in a pot limit or no limit format... And I will def play any type of stud games pot limit also. I hope you get this going in Detroit or on the easy side ....
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08-24-2011 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gambit8888
I agree with you... I will play all the games you listed in a pot limit or no limit format... And I will def play any type of stud games pot limit also. I hope you get this going in Detroit or on the easy side ....
SO basically you guys want to play PLO and that's it? Hate to break it to you but NOBODY plays pl stud. Also triple draw is meant to be played limit.

If you want to play pl or nl, go play downtown IMO. This game, as I see it, is a limit, fun game.
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08-24-2011 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by scottyb007
SO basically you guys want to play PLO and that's it? Hate to break it to you but NOBODY plays pl stud. Also triple draw is meant to be played limit.

If you want to play pl or nl, go play downtown IMO. This game, as I see it, is a limit, fun game.
+1. Not every form of poker is meant to played NL or PL, only the forms of poker that we have been brainwashed to like by ESPN and casinos that only spread 1 game
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08-24-2011 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by scottyb007
SO basically you guys want to play PLO and that's it? Hate to break it to you but NOBODY plays pl stud. Also triple draw is meant to be played limit.

If you want to play pl or nl, go play downtown IMO. This game, as I see it, is a limit, fun game.
There's room for everyone in this forum now. I enjoy limit HORSE, but my home game is usually a mix of PLO8, PLO, PLHE, NLHE, PL 7 card stud hi-lo, and PL 7 card stud.

We can always have one HORSE game for the limit guys, and a different mix game for the others.
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08-24-2011 , 07:47 PM
any posters playin the PLO at Doc's tonight?
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08-24-2011 , 10:56 PM
According to MGM website, they have sng's. Do these run? Namely the $215 at 9 pm.

I've been wanting to check out Doc's wed plo game but Wednesdays are busy for me.
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08-24-2011 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by woowoo
According to MGM website, they have sng's. Do these run? Namely the $215 at 9 pm.

I've been wanting to check out Doc's wed plo game but Wednesdays are busy for me.
Lol @ MGM sng's. I think they have run 5 since they started those. The rake is ridiculous on those.
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08-24-2011 , 11:33 PM
As long as we play 2-7 I'm in.
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08-24-2011 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Omaha8A2
There's room for everyone in this forum now. I enjoy limit HORSE, but my home game is usually a mix of PLO8, PLO, PLHE, NLHE, PL 7 card stud hi-lo, and PL 7 card stud.

We can always have one HORSE game for the limit guys, and a different mix game for the others.
Thank you....
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08-25-2011 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Omaha8A2
There's room for everyone in this forum now. I enjoy limit HORSE, but my home game is usually a mix of PLO8, PLO, PLHE, NLHE, PL 7 card stud hi-lo, and PL 7 card stud.

We can always have one HORSE game for the limit guys, and a different mix game for the others.
The real problem with spreading any of these mix games is that the fish won't play. The reason you want to have it raked at a poker room instead of having it at maybe an unraked home game is that you want the uneducated fish waiting for a game to sit down to kill time while waiting for nlhe. It's no fun having 6 guys who know all the games waiting to bust the worst player or the unlucky guy, only to break up the game.
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08-25-2011 , 09:19 AM
With mixed games you always let the fish choose what they like. So anything O8A2 wants I'm in. But really just start with simple mix and the house should be flexible enough to add and subtract what the players want.
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