would they start a list of interest for plo8?, usually where i play we get it started shorthanded, like 4 or 5 and once the game is a go it fils up wothing an hour

They'll start a list of interest for anything, but good luck finding O8 regs there who'll play anything either PL or shorthanded, let alone both. I'll join a LOI, and if you can get cards in the air and get it 5 handed I'll leave my juicy LO8 to join you.

Someone on here was trying to start a regular PLO8 game. Would love that if it happened. But i still love my 7-way caps preflop, too.

Maybe my best bet is when the date gets closer and my plans soldify, we can get a group together to meet and get the game rolling.

After all, plo8 is the game of the future!

I will wear a Stanley Cup champion Bruins Jersey.

Nobody gets a special rate for rooms around here.

Yes casinos are close to the freeway

Read back about MGM for info. Chances of anything but nlh are 0%...not even 0.000001%, flat out 0%.

Your best bet for PLO or PLO8 are the charity rooms.

You should look to play at Big Beaver Tavern, Pampas or The River in Sherry. SuitedDeuces in this forum has done a good job getting those PLO8 games running regularly.

That's Shelby not Sherry, sorry.

Thanks, about how far from Ann Arbor? Do the rooms go around the clock?

Looked at the prices at MGM, kind of pricey for someone used to getting comped rooms. I think I am better of having a room bases in AA and travel. Usually play long sessions, so the room for the most part is for a nap and a shower.

Anything is expensive for someone used to getting comped rooms. I understand completely what you mean. I haven't paid for a room in well over 10 years and refuse to do so! I just recently decided to buy a sandwich in a casino where it wasn't comped. Makes you sick, doesn't it?!

Yea but MGM room rates are beyond ridic...how they justify routinely being > 2x Motor City rates? Is it just a super small hotel or is Detroit just a booming metropolis or what is the deal exactly?

They probably sell so few rooms that they need to make up for it on price.

About an hour and 10 minutes from A2, i think i figured. Far enough that i'm happier going to Detroit and paying outrageous rake.

Quick Greektown trip report:

I got there on Saturday around 1:30pm. I had tickets to the Tigers game that night, and planned on playing until shortly before game time, and then again after the game. I had called around 1:00 to add my name to the 1/2 NL list, and the 2/5 NL interest list. When I arrived I was still 8th on the 1/2 NL list, and the 2/5 interest list didn't have my name on it at all. After checking in, the woman at the counter said they were looking to get another 1/2 game started. 30 minutes later, I heard her say the same thing to another person, and shortly after that, they finally did start a new game.

The good:
1) The room is nice, and isolated from all of the madness that is the rest of the casino.
2) There is no smoking, and a private smoking area a short walk away.
3) You earn $1 per hour in comps, which I used for 5 Guys.
4) The players were generally loose and predictable.
4) Unfortunately that is all the good that I can say.

The bad:
1) The previously mentioned wait for a seat or table to start.
2) 10 player tables, and the tables are not any larger than normal, meaning it is fairly tight.
3) Slow and inattentive dealers, for the most part.
4) The floor took all of our players cards to clock us in, and when they returned, mine was the only one not returned, and was somehow lost.
5) No 2/5 NL, only games going were 1/2 NL, 3/6, and 5/10 LO8.

An observation:
1) The 5/10 Omaha 8 game that has been discussed a lot in this thread, was full of some of the biggest douchebag behavior I have ever witnessed. I won't get into too many specifics so as not to insult any players that happened to be there from this thread. It seemed there was an argument or disagreement every hand, whether it was between two players, the floor and a player, the player and the dealer, a player not liking how rake was taken, etc....you name it, they argued about it.
2) I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it is the most poorly run poker room I've ever played in, and that is also compared to many charity rooms, and has ALWAYS been that way.


Cliff's notes: Go to Motor City if you want to go downtown to play poker.

i am an omaha player through and through.

Generally, we are not happy unless we have something to be unhappy about. Complaining about something after every hand is par for the course. Wait until you see an action plo or plo8 game going. The dealer is usually clueless about a pot size bet and the table will often scream 9 different numbers at them.

That would be me, and for reasons stated in the associated thread, i'll be a "douchebag" about that every time from now on. I'm assuming that by douchebag you mean "player who calls the floor when the dealer uses a non-standard procedure that threatens the integrity of the game." I'd do well to get so animated, but i will continue to communicate emphatically and firmly my expectation that the room use standard procedure to ensure the integrity of the game.

You're correct that the O8 game is uncommonly grouchy, though. The poor play (and not having to deal with multiple guys in their 20s with hoodies and sunglasses) makes up for it.

Hope you ran well!

Someone did something that could potentially cost you and your fellow players money and you voiced your concern?

Douchebag.

I agree with you if this is the case. And I figured it was a 2+2er making the stink. I think you were well within your rights to complain, just thought it went a little over the top and on the path to d-baggery, in your discussion with the floor.

However, I empathize in dealing with the floor there....one time I was playing and had a drink, and had to grab one of those tables with wheels (since there were no cupholders at the table). The table I grabbed had at least 10 empty racks on it, and I set them on the floor. The floor person came over to me and angrily requested, almost like a school teacher, that I put the table back and replace the racks on the table.

Yeah, i definitely need to get better at expressing myself firmly but not angrily. Thanks for the feedback.

GOTF, feel free to PM me about PLO8 games. Typically, we have a game going on Wednesdays at the River (which we are trying to move to Snooker's), a game at Pampa Lanes on Fridays, and it runs at Big Beaver Monday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. We tried getting it going today, but I think alot of the regulars are getting sick of losing now that people who know what they're doing are playing in it. Those rooms are about an hour from A2, and run until 2am.

I think just by the sheer volume of people at Snookers, and now that I've met a few people playing live, we might be able to get the game running there most nights of the week sometime in the future. The issue is that a few of the regs who are nitty older guys, hate paying more than a $3 rake for a game that produces less per hour than their hold em games. I'm going to go back to Snookers tomorrow to try and work something out with at least a LITTLE hook up on rake.

AKQJ10- yes, 7 way cap flops are nice, but aren't 6 way flops with $75 or so in the pot also nice for PLO8?

It's just nice to see something running regularly that isn't NLHE

So I've been thinking...with the WSOP starting, Black Friday getting in the way of the SCOOP events, and the fact the closest thing we see to a "tournament series" in Michigan is Heartland Poker Tour, wouldn't anyone else like to see a tournament series of sorts run around here, like "Motor City Series of Poker" or "Motown Poker Championship"? I just never understood why something like this has never ran. Something with tournaments of all sorts, NLHE, Limit Hold em, O8, PLO8, PLO, HORSE, Stud, etc. Would anyone have ANY idea at all what would be a good first step in the right direction to getting something like this organized?

Approach poker room director and ask?

I've been trying (see Michigan Poker Monster floor interviews) and I've talked to GTC management about it. No interest by them and charity rooms have too many rules to hold something like that (chip limits, etc.) Maybe MGM could persuaded. They need the poker traffic imo.

I'd love such a tourney series, but i won't hold my breath.

So for Memorial Day i took a fieldtrip to the Flint area. I'd heard the Palace Poker Room offers fairly regular $3/6 kill limit O8.

Traffic was light because of the holiday/beautiful weather. Apparently the O8 doesn't usually start until around 3; yesterday it was more like 4, so i played a couple of hours of NLHE (really $2-300 "high limit" spread, but only one stack was $300 deep over the whole time anyway). Both games were really good. The O8 looked like it might break when it got to 6-handed around 9pm, but then it got going again. A few players sat in the O8 while waiting for NLHE.

General atmosphere was pretty professional, although the dealers do drop the rake during the hand, roll the deck, and do some sort of two hand cut deal that really shouldn't pass muster. O8 dealers here are really awesome about stacking every hand -- PLEASE teach Greektown dealers that! But one did get surly when i suggested that maybe pushing a half-pot as a stack 60 chips high and spilling it all over the table isn't as great an idea as breaking the pot into multiple paired-up stacks. Self-evident, right?

Because of the statutory chip limits, the afternoon $1-2 NLHE, evening 25c-50c NLHE (+LHE i think), and LO8 games fund three different charities hence use different-colored chips. I'd never seen purple $5 and yellow $1 before.

By far, by far, the highlight of the trip was watching this octogenarian gentleman celebrate after winning a pot or half-pot. I would make the hour trip to Flint just to see that again.

My rating: 4/5

AKQJ10- great TR, and congrats on being the first person in 2P2 history to make me have to look up a word in the dictionary, even though I should have known what "octogenarian" meant lol.

Prime- Even though you are straddling the line between condescending sarcasm and simplicity, I have to disagree with what you say. If I go up to a poker room manager, I better come with a very laid out and organized plan, not just a seed of an idea.

Omaha8A2- If you'd like to talk by PM, email, phone, or in person about this, lemme know. I wouldn't mind sitting down over a few drinks and racking our brains for a few hours just to throw out possibilities, logistics, etc. for something like this. I have to say, with enough preparation, advertising, and word of mouth, I feel this could be a very successful thing, and a positive step forward for poker in general in Michigan/Detroit.

I talked to the floor lady Sandra yesterday at Greektown about the possibility of starting a $1/$2 PLO8 game there once a week. We ruled out Tuesdays and Saturdays because we wouldn't want it to compete with both the PLO and LO8 games that run. She was saying Mondays, Wedneday, and Thursday afternoons would be best. I told her the evening would be a LITTLE better just because many people work during the day and all. We have a few PLO8 regulars we play with, and I wanted to find out on here how many people would be interested in going to Greektown to play a PLO8 game once a week and what day(s) would work best? Sandra also said if we brought the majority of players to the table, she'd consider a reduced rake.

In addition, we are thinking of moving our weekly Wednesday/Friday night game to Snookers. If you read my posts on here, you know I have a hard on for this place, but just go there. You have plenty of cocky, clueless players with deep pockets who want to "gamble bro!!!". I went there before looking to start a game, but that was before I started playing in a few live PLO8 games here and now I have several people's numbers who would want to move the game there. Ideally, what would happen is get the game there once or twice a week. Eventually, I feel the exposure could turn the game into a more steady 4-5 nights a week game. I know when I talk to Don one concern could be that it might be taking some action from the 1-3 PLO game, but I don't really think this would be a huge issue.

VERY mini TR- So I was at Greektown yesterday playing the $5/$10 LO8 game and was just waiting for the first "incident". The one older lady who uses a walker to get around was looking like the prime suspect to start some crap. It took a little longer than usual to get the game going, as it usually starts around noon on Tuesdays, and the older folks were just killing me. There were 11 names on the list, who were all there, and one of the guys working the floor refused to try to get the game going. I was beyond confused and he explained in a tone a mother uses on her child "You see, if some people are playing $3/$6, and they're up, they won't want to move to a new game". What part about how I carry myself says "I need to be spoken to as if I'm a 6 year old with a learning disability"?

Eventually, they announce the game will be starting. I'm sitting at the table with 2 other players, and I hear 4 of the old cagey codgers saying "I'll play when there's 7". It possibly could have been the senility that made them not realize if all 4 of them came over, and if you add 3 to 4, you get 7. The old lady sits down making it 5 at the table. One of the guys asks in his frustrated "come on I only have 5 more good years" tone "Where are the others?". The dealer replies "They're coming", then granny chimes in with a voice reminiscent of the "Where's the beef?" Lady "Yeah, so's Christmas!". I almost lost it, and took every bit of strength to hold back the laughter which would have come out so hard I'd be crying. I just love hearing things you'd only hear from someone who frequents Tom Jones/scrapbooking conventions. I was waiting for her to tell everyone about she left her hard candy on the davenport at home as well. The game got going, and plenty of monsters like 689J, 5579 were getting shown down. She scolded me when I slightly fanned my cards to the guy on me left. They were 2334 with clubs on a flop of A35 with clubs. Boo ****ing hoo granny. Then you shouldn't have called as that's an obvious sign of strength. Shame on me for giving a tell, and thank you for not taking advantage of that and paying me off!

The Incident- A new guy sits down on my right at the table, and looks like your average 40 something guy who has stories about how he could have made it in life if not for this or that happening to him, a bitch wife who took it all, etc. you know the type, faded olive t-shirt, khaki shorts, birkentstocks, a worn down hat depicting an up north camping lodge and Paul Schafer sunglasses. I get the kill button after scooping a decent pot and sitting in the seat on the right of the hijack. It gets folded to him, and he calls. I look down and see a double suited AA58. One caller, kill pot, perfect time to raise and isolate (a very rare thing to do in this game). I notice as I go to put the additional $10 on top of my kill button, that the cutoff and button had already called the $10. They both pull back their $10 and muck. The guy on my right has a bitch fit like no other, claiming that their $10 has to become part of the pot and they forfeit it. The older guy on the button, who resembled Shemp Howard (Both in his looks and quality of play), accused me of fumbling my chips (YOU LIE OLD MAN!) The floor comes over and hears the dealer say what happened (she handled it very well, calmly and matter of fact-like). The next thing you know, people are bitching at the table about how they've done the same thing before and had to forfeit their money. The floor ruled in favor of the players, and allowed them to hold onto their $10. The guy in the cutoff was not being a jackass to me, but told me that in the future, it is my responsibility to stop any action if people are acting out of turn ahead of me. I tell him don't see how it's possible when I look down at my hand, look up, and they've already acted. Ok, so maybe it wasn't as "mini" as I thought lol.

PS. On the "incident" hand, I flopped a set of aces, they held up for a scoop pot and I got paid off on every street