its 2pm now, not 6pm??

Post 5564:
There are a few problems, but I will try to name the big ones for you
1. Costs.
1a. The start up costs are huge. Only place that is going to have a budget to run a series is MGM.
1b. Advertisement. You see a lot of this for the WSOPC, CPC, Borgata Opens, etc. This costs money up front obviously.
1c. Venue. More on the opp. cost later, but still, you have to have space for the tables. I am sure that you can open a ballroom up, but that brings up another point.
1d. Equipment. You have to have several different chip sets, cards, tables, chairs, vending options, etc.
2. You have to have competent (and enough) staff to run the floor and enough dealers to deal the cards. Don't forget about cashiers as well.
3. Opportunity Costs. Is the casino going to lose money by spreading a poker tournament instead of slots, table games, cash games? Are they going to lose business from the regular table games to a poker tournament, where their income is fixed. Also, is the casinos expected monetary gain/person/hour going to drop to an unacceptable level. Basically, is the casino going to spend too much money entertaining people, or providing a tournament, without the chance of getting enough money to pay for the services.
4. Licensing. Is there a problem with playing poker in a ballroom or meeting room? This costs money too.

I think that this is why no one has tried to do something like that. And yes, the satellites would be awesome.

Just my 3 cents.


Post 5572:
In terms of the tournament series, I think that it would have to be a casino downtown hosting a regional series if anything. I dont think that creating something from scratch like the Chicago Poker Classic is something that is going to happen. However, a WPT Regional like the one going on at PARX right now is something to be considered. I would say yes to a WSOPC, but those are all on CET properties and there is a CET property across the river, so making an exception wouldn't make any sense for CET. CET is Caesars Entertainment, formerly known as Harrahs.

How would people feel about a series at Firekeepers? Not like the HPT where there was 49293 satellites and 1 Main Event, but an actual series. I hate the HPT's concept because of the lack of volume. I know you can grind out Soaring Eagles SNG's and sell you satty seats and multiple package seats, but still, that is one hell of a grind.

As for Cleveland and Toledo, I doubt they do something until next years WSOPC, which I would hope one of them does something. Based on proximity, I would venture to say that it would be in Cleveland, but I have no idea of the size and space of that casino. All I know is that in terms of distance to major cities, other tour stops, and access, Cleveland works better in my eyes. This is mostly because you have a stop in Hammond and Southern Indiana, but nothing North or East of that until you have Chester (Philadelphia) and AC.


And then there is a slight discussion about the HPT and everything to do with that, which I’ll include here:
Post 5582:
They host satellites, but I've never seen them go off, or hear about people playing in them. This may mean that I am not at MGM at the right time. From my understanding, this is just a satellite into the ME and nothing more, other than maybe travel expenses.
As for the Greektown hosting the HPT, that was a long time ago (2004?). If I'm not mistaken, Dean Hamrick FT'ed that tournament. *Edit: This was 2008*
I wouldn't hope for much from the HPT in the future since their holding company just filed for Chapter 11. Maybe I'm wrong, but we will see.

And this is continued after someone asked another question/relevant response:
Post 5587:
Yes, they were owned by Federated Sports + Gaming. They just filed for Chapter 11. From everything I read, "they" want to keep the Epic Poker League. This should include the Global Poker Index, the EPL itself, EpicPoker.com, and the Epic Poker game on facebook. They include the HPT as part of their assets. However, in order to move forward, they will need to reorganize and become solvent. This means selling parts of their company, or using subsidiaries as bargaining chips. I think that they will use the HPT as said bargaining chip.

Basically, in order to pay past due bills, stay solvent, and continue operations they need to liquidate assets. In order to run the EPL, which they see as viable, FSG is probably looking to sell the HPT.

This is just my best guess from their statements and business strategy in terms of their past and present behavior.

This doesn't mean the HPT will cease to exist, completely opposite. I think it will turn for the better, because a new owner has new ideas. This is all conjecture of course, but we shall see how much FSG owes when the figures are released in Chapter 11 filings.

New stuff:
These are just my responses in on the topic of hosting a poker series… In terms of the questions, scroll up to read those.. Im being lazy and not including those.

I guess I should wrap this up with the statement that I wish that Detroit would host a series, even if I don’t think that it will happen. I should also say that Cleveland is the CET property, not Toledo (Penn Gaming). I would be shocked if there was no WSOPC there next year.

To directly answer your question, I haven't said that the series wouldn't have a respectable showing. Everything else is above.

Hopefully McCartey's BFF had some solid brags about how he knows the Obituary writer for the Macomb Daily or something to the like. I do miss playing alongside those numbskulls, and hearing the tidbits of advice along the way.

@all you guys: Seeing as I just started my new job, I'll probably only be able to take a couple days off around the series, which I'll set aside for the PLO8 tourney, I think it's at the end of June. We'll all have to get drinks and maybe get some cash game action for old time's sake!

@suiteddeuces I was informed by him that Harahs is really busy and that their 7-14 LIMIT Holden game is extra juicy. Yes he said 7-14 limit, swore up and down about it. He also said the best place out in vegas to play and check out hot chicks is Terribles. He needs his own reality show.

2 PM start?

so 2/5 last night...

discalimer: my writing isn't the best so don't judge me

I had a couple of big sessions at 1/2 monday and tuesday of +550 and +1k so I decided to go down to MCC last night and take a shot at the 2/5 game. I hadn't played 2/5 in over a year so my plan was to play out my $300 buy-in and move back to 1/2 if that didn't work out. Table is a must move.

First orbit and I get QQ in MP/HJ and raise it to $30 or $35 after a limper and get one call from EP. flop is Axx and it goes check/check. turn is a blank and EP leads out for $25 and I decide to peel one because I already saw this guy donk on the flop with top pair hand or two before. River is another card and villain thinks for a second and cuts out $50. After a couple of seconds of telling myself that I'm about to donk off a third of my stack with 2nd pair I call and have to check to make sure his 55 didn't hit a set and MHIG. Hey! this DOES play like 1/2.

anywho, shortly after I flop a straight from the BB with 75o on 986 two-tone. With 4-6 players in the pot SB leads out for $25 and I make it $75 all day. An EP limper coldcalls, folds to the SB who calls. No reads on EP but he seems like the type of player frequently found in passive 1/2 games and SB has been active so far. Turn is the Ks putting a three-flush on the board. Obviously a scare card but I figure there's still plenty of value to be had so I bet $145 and EP calls after "studying" me for a few seconds, SB folds. River is a blank and I decide I'm going to check/call any bet since I only have around $180 remaining I think. EP bets $100 and I call pretty quickly, he says two pair and I ship the pot and I'm quickly up to over $800.

After a few orbits a couple of players move down from the 5/10 game and sit directly to my left and I get a little scurred but after an orbit or two I realize I've got nothing to worry about. Just a kid in a hoodie with too much money and a girl with too much money that wants to chat up the whole table.

I play this hand against chatty girl (CG). I have JJ in the blinds and bump it to $40 after a few limpers. CG calls and I get another caller and I flop an overpair on a two tone board. I make a 3/4 pot cbet and CG calls. turn is a king and while I'm pretty sure my hand is good and the has some marginal pair/flush draw type hand I check after contemplating a bet because I'm weak and want to avoid playing big pots OOP with marginal hands in a game I'm not familiar with. River is the Ad completing the flush and I check/fold to a $100 bet after talking myself out of a hero call. CG says good folds and shows 62dd for the flush.

Interesting hand took place between kid in hoodie(KIH) and the player from my initial QQ hand, older guy with a strong accent, we'll call him foreign old due (FOD). KIH makes it $15 preflop and get a few callers flop is K86r and it checks through, turn is a K and KIH bets out $15 and FOD calls. River is a 4 and KIH bets $75 and I'm like lol he slowplayed quads. FOD calls and flips up 44 for the boat saying that he knows he's beat and KIH flips up KK for quads and flips b/c he thinks he should have gotten FOD's stack. lol nits.

I get moved to the main game and get sandwiched between a couple of nits. After a while KIH and CG get moved to the 7 and 8 seats while the 9 seat is the most active player at the table who keeps getting into hands with seat 10 who appears to be a positionally aware solid player capable of cbetting and barreling light. I move to the 1 seat when it opens up and now I've got the money seat.

For the next couple of hours I get dealt either offsuit trash or AK it seems except my AK never hits a flop and I do my share of cbetting and manage to keep my stack around $700. frustrated that I'm not really doing much and not wanting to stick around and donk off chips because I'm getting tired I decide I'll play another orbit before heading home for the night.

One of the AK hands I'm in the SB and sold BTN isolates $25 after a couple of limpers and I make it $80 all day. He has me covered and calls. Flop is all low cards and I don't cbet since I'm weak know that if I cbet and get called there's a chance I spew my whole stack. BTN check behind. Turn is a 9 or some blank and I decide to take my stab now and bet $100, he jams which I kind of saw coming as soon as I made my bet and I have to fold. We ended up cashing out at the same time and he said he had AK and didn't think I'd check an overpair on the flop and I tell him yeah I probably botched that hand and the turn bet sizing was bad but he was definitely the best player at the table so ni han. I definitely do need to work on my play in 3-bet pots tho.

Later I'm dealt AKhh in LP and raise two limpers including KIH who calls and we're heads-up on a QTx board giving me a gutshot and a backdoor flush draw. KIH donks $15 and I raise it up to $50. (Now we played a hand before where the action was the same, limp/call, small donk/call and we checked it down and he won with top pair-weak kicker.) So in this hand, I decide to take the same line with the intention of taking the pot away depending on how the board develops plus I've got decent pot equity and given that his weak top-pair was good last hand I think he'll give me a little more credit the second time I take this line. The turn is a non-heart rag and I check behind. River is a T, pairing the board, and KIH bets $50 which is less than a 1/3 of the pot and just screams weakness so I decide that I'm going to bluff-raise the river because nobody ever bluff-raises rivers. If called I decide to insta-rack up and go home. I announce raise and put out $175 and KIH cuts out the $125 to call but eventually folds. Well, I can't go home now!

I then proceed to go on a heater, flopping a couple of sets and winning medium pots, taking a few more down with cbets, but the biggest hand of the night by far was this hand against a new player to the table that was aggro-ing it up, clearly a thinking player.

He makes it $30 in EP, one of the LP donks call, and I look down at 98cc on the button. I almost fold before realizing that it's just a 6BB raise, I'm on the button and we're almost 200bb deep, ok I'll call. Flop is T83 with two clubs and I'm in business. EP cbets $75 in to $90, LP folds and I call since EP probably has an over pair given how strong his cbets was. Turn is an 8 giving me trips and I raise EP's $125 bet to $275. At this point I kind of loose track of the pot size since it's by far the biggest pot I've played in a long long time and instead of really thinking about getting max value I just don't want him to fold. River is a 3 giving me the boat, EP check/calls my $200 river bet and I scoop my biggest pot in like 1.5 years. EP says he had kings and remark to somebody on the other side of the table that I could have gotten more than 200 on the river. live, learn, and adjust I suppose.

Now my stack is up to 1.5k and my main worry is figuring out how to stack all these chips. first world problems huh?

I end up quitting the game just before 3 with a little over 1.6k, not bad considering I started out with just 60bb. I still need some adjusting to the amount of money at 2/5 since I've been playing exclusively 1/2 for the last 4 months and my bet-sizing needs some work but all in all it's been a great couple of days and my confidence is soaring.

Saw kwackbars there with his girl and he said 1game was playing but I didn't get a chance to introduce myself. my bad, next time!

Headed to snookers as we speak. Wearing a Detroit away hat, black zip up black sweatpants and sandals with socks. Come say hi

At snookers seat 3 table 3

Nice TR purvida; next time though buy in for the max. $300 really handicaps you. I was at MC and noticed the(CG) was whining about her ppair's getting cracked all night (noticeably attractive chick imo)

The AK hand, if i check the flop I am giving up, paticularly against a good player. He will be able to "exploit" you since your hand does look like AK or scared medium overpair. I would actually not mind mixing in some checks with big pairs OTF for balancing purposes (see how it would work against this type). but If I am betting at all I am betting the flop and shutting down if called.

It's amazing how one medium sized bluff working can change an entire night. If he calls with his Qx there your night is totally different. You likely have a C game gear and less chips, forcing you to have a losing image too. Now that you got away with the bluff, you have more chips, adrenaline, and can think clearly. Its amazing how hands similar to this one, or a hero call, can put a competent hero such as yourself in the drivers seat for the rest of the night. NH. Doesnt seem like spew with your AK hand given your reads, glad it worked out.

And that one guy is right, you missed out of max value. I make it $350 OTR or tank shove to make you look more polarized. I'm guessing you play only a little 2/5 so the money value of the hand may have gotten you a bit lost in the pot size, etc. NH. Don't mind the call preflop either mainly because you are deep.

At snookers seat 3 table 3

At snookers seat 3 table 3

People heard you the first two times

At snookers seat 3 table 3

Weird, I could have sworn that was a 6.50-13 Limit game. He seems like the kinda guy who spends his time hanging out at bars around 10 and Gratiot just for the women, and tells them the best food in the Detroit area can be found at the horse track.

Sorry for the multiple posts I'm sending this from my phone. Busted the tourney. Playing cash. Tweet me at mjcasroma if you're hear.

LMAO ^ this is my friend. he has been going there for years. except he goes to the bars at 10 mile and harper. Lol all those places are dives. And i thought the horses where there from the track.

Also do they actually have good food at the horse track? Not much of a Gambler myself. So i have never been there. I have been watching "Luck" on HBO and been thinking about going there to see what it is all about.

Tweet you if we hear what? Like do you mean tweet you if we have Hair? or tweet you if we are here?

by the way i am at table three seat three also

Did you forget to do laundry?
Lol.

Slip a dollar into his cup.

So is Snookers worth the drive from say if you live in Farmington Hills? I hear its like Friday nights at Electrick Stick every night.

I actually just did 8 loads yesterday. I was very impressed with how the room was ran, and how busy it was. Not so impressed with the play. -200 cash and -30 on the tournament. #dontrunlikejose #noteam313 #pointchasingbeer

If you want to grind out for 8+ hours, YES. There were 9 tables+. I came from Canton and thought that the action warrants a return trip. I wouldn't say every day, but Caveman tweeted the other day (i think tuesday) that there were 6 tables going by noon or 2p.

It was a fun experience except the losing part.

Phone auto corrects.
LOL i busted that seat in the second level. I wish you would have responded on twitter.
I may be coming tomorrow, IDK.

Anyone interested in being partners for the team tourney at Trip Kings Sunday?

Very similar hand to one I lost @ G'town the other night against some old nit. My Flopped set of Queens lost to a Flopped Set of Kings. K hit on the River and my Queens Full of Kings lost to Quads.

It felt so similar to your story, I thought for a minute you were at my table and somehow changed some details to protect the innocent.

Good TR.

I'm willing to put in a 12 hour day with maybe an hour or two break in between. I will 100 percent check it out.