Sevup, I think I'm going to go to Snookers again and talk to the head guy there Don. We talked about it briefly, but it's always so packed in there he really can't take 10 minutes to talk with a clear head, so I'm trying to find him at a time when it's not packed there. I'm hoping for maybe a Friday/Sunday thing, because I know Greektown runs a limit O8 game on Saturdays.

Sounds good, keep me posted

The Detroit casino tournaments are a joke because of there blind structure. 3000 starting stack in most tournaments with 15 or 20 minute blinds are fine but when Level 4 is 200/400 and Level 5 400/800 it turns into a "ShoveFest" quickly. They think the BB is suppose to double every level. But on the other hand cash games are great at Motorcity especially with the Bad Beat being over $350k right now its drawing alot of Fish to the tables. Better call in to be placed on the list because walk-ins wait about 2hours now.

I'm pretty sure you don't have to show all those documents if you are opening a NEW account only if you are changing your address to another country, because obv ppl would be trying to say they moved just to play. Besides, they don't let you have two accounts in your name.

You can't just jump borders. Canada has very strict immigration laws and isn't going to let people reside just to by-pass our Country's laws.

It isn't just a matter of establishing residency. They'll be blocking based on IP Address. So even if you're a Canadian Resident, you won't be able to access from a US IP Address.

I see that charities tourney rake is 20%, but is their cash rake any higher than normal?

From my experience they cap it at $6 and believe it is 10%.

The blind structures are far worse in charity events then greektown tourneys. Greektown has longer blind levels, the level jumps in levels at the end are much better (they still stink compared to online, but not as bad as charity) and antes which means late and your pushing your 6bb-15bb you win a bit more then just the blinds. Once the charities hit 1000-2000 lvl they double the blinds to get the thing over with quickly, which stinks because thats when the tournament counts the most. So you have 1k-2k, 2k-4k, 4k-8k and so on. Charities bill themselves as DEEP STACK, but any smart tourney player knows thats a load of crap. Starting off with deep stacks means zero when the average stack near the bubble is only 5bb. Sure the Greektown one starts with only 3k or 4.5k or whatever depending on the buyin, but the blinds are better when you get deeper.

I was a little surprised when someone said that charities take money out of the prize pool to pay the staff. I thought most are 80 percent payout meaning that part of the 20 percent goes to pay staff?

Oh and yes the cash games at charities are cheaper rake then downtown by far. I think its around 5-6 bucks and no bad beat, whats it at downtown 6-7 and an extra dollar too for the bad beats. I think some of the 2-5 games are raked the same way in the charities.

They only take 20%, part of that 20% goes to the dealers.

All of the 20% goes to the Charity. It is required by State law (Charitable Gaming). You cannot take money out of a prize pool, rake, etc., and give it to the dealers.

Is this still true with the new regulations where the dealers no longer work for the charities?

The charity is required to rake 20% of the pot regardless. When the dealers become employees of the room they get paid by the room operator and they will be allowed to receive CASH tips.

For clarification, the room operater invoices the charity for up to 50% of their daily take. The room operator has to reduce their percentage by all of the charity expenses with the exception of the licensing fee. The room operator will pay all room expenses (dealer pay, chips, cards, etc.) out of their take.

[QUOTE=Atarirob;26135060]The blind structures are far worse in charity events then greektown tourneys. Greektown has longer blind levels, the level jumps in levels at the end are much better (they still stink compared to online, but not as bad as charity) and antes which means late and your pushing your 6bb-15bb you win a bit more then just the blinds. Once the charities hit 1000-2000 lvl they double the blinds to get the thing over with quickly, which stinks because thats when the tournament counts the most. So you have 1k-2k, 2k-4k, 4k-8k and so on. Charities bill themselves as DEEP STACK, but any smart tourney player knows thats a load of crap. Starting off with deep stacks means zero when the average stack near the bubble is only 5bb. Sure the Greektown one starts with only 3k or 4.5k or whatever depending on the buyin, but the blinds are better when you get deeper.

I can't speak for other Charity Rooms but at Northville Downs (ND) this is not true.

Greekdown & ND's blind structure is basically the same from start to finish. Level 6 400/800, level 10 1500/3000, level 17 (Greektowns highest)--Greektown's blind levels of 25k/50K is higher than Northvilles level of 20k/40k.


Greektown: Blind Levels are 20 minutes for most tourneys and 30 min for their $340 tourney
ND: Blind levels are 15 min for most tourneys and 25 minutes for their monthly $150 Deep Stack.

**Keep in mind that the charity room must close at 2am so they are working under time constraints. ND makes up for this by giving 2-5 times the quantity of starting chips in all tourneys

Rake on tourneys:
Greektown take $15 for the house on all tourneys: This is 20%-47% rake! The exceptions are their $100 tourney where the rake is 15% and the $340 buy-in where they take $40 (12%)

ND: Rake is 20% max on all tourneys.

Played for the first time live yesterday in a long time at Northville Downs. I played the $35 tournament there and busted on level 2 with KK (actually the only hand I played). I noticed a lot of really bad players at the table I was at. The dealer said there room has been very busy since the online poker ban. Still, the rake is too high in those tourneys to be profitable long term.

As a side note, doesn't Caesars Windsor offer something like $1 an hour to cash game players there? Do any of the Detroit rooms have a similar system? It doesn't really make sense for someone to play at Windsor for this reason because you are most likely giving most if not all of that money back with the fees you pay for crossing the border.

Greektown and MGM comp $1/hour.

Can anyone confirm this? Is it new? I remember playing at MGM a few years ago (shortly after the new casino opened) and I gave them my card and swiped it and asked how much I get? They said "nothing, but sometimes will send you special promotions by email."

Confirmed. Greektown was first, and they started over a year ago.

Confirmed.. Played at GT yesterday..

iirc it is $4 to cross, $4 coming back, but Windsor has less rake (10% capped 5+ $1bbj) than Detroit.

anyone know if the wait at MC is the same (2-3 hours) late night/early mornings?

A smallish TR: The River Poker Lounge, Shelby Township

It's Friday, April 15th, and I'm in the middle of a usual 24 table session of NLO8. I see 4 people sitting at a new table and decide to join, that's when I get the now infamous message. I panic, and start calling around to every friend I know who plays live, asking about live PLO or omaha hi lo games. A friend directs me towards a weekly $1/$2 PLO8 game which he claims runs at the River Poker Lounge in Shelby Township. I was a little skeptical at first, because this game just NEVER runs ANYWHERE, and for years had been my bread and butter game. I make a call, he makes a call, I'm now verified to join the game.

I'll start this out by saying that I did not really bother to focus too much on the other tables that were going on aside from ours. Our table was one of two in a slightly segregated area, a "Bobby's Room" of sorts. They said it was "upstairs", but I think in reality the "upstairs" was about 2 feet higher than the "Downstairs" area. I walk in and listen to the manager explaining the simple rules of cash and chip handling to one of the men representing the charity. The man is asking some pretty absurdly dumb questions, and looks perplexed when I ask to buy in for $250 in a $1/$2 game with a $300 max buy in. The manager is very patient with him and proceeds to explain the rules further, which I thought was cool. I look around and wowza, this has to be the most attractive wait staff you'll see in any charity room, and even more importantly, were very good at their job, coming around frequently, and seemed pretty cool/down to earth.

I sit down and within a few hands I turn my $250 into $350 just playing ABC PLO8. As every hour goes by, I chip up, playing some small ball but mostly just waiting for the goods and properly bet sizing. As the night goes on, I continue to crush the game, and I humbly "blame" it on hot cards. The players were all friendly, and all knew each other by their first name. Within an hour people were calling me "John" as if they'd been my friend for years, which was pretty nice.

I heard good things from a few places about the food at this place, and while I didn't eat any myself, a player on my right ordered Beef Tips, which were garnished nicely with a bouquetiere. The bottom line is, it's nice to be able to eat something aside from chicken fingers, hot dogs, and nachos from time to time

Also, for those who I've communicated with on here about getting a PLO8 or NLO8 game going, these are a good group of almost 10 guys who were all saying they would love to add another night of PLO8 or NLO8 sometime during the week, preferable Friday-Sunday. For anyone interested, please PM me with your name and phone number. One thing I forgot to mention, they charge a max $3 rake for this game at the River. I really liked the atmosphere there and would be up for playing there!

Thanks for the heads up suited....sent u a pm

BEST NEW ROOM IN TOWN.. at the Flight Club strip club on Michigan Ave a block from Middle Belt..

Really nice set-up, brand new tables, chairs, chips and lots of strippers. Great food.

It's awesome.