Last I knew you only pay rake when you win a pot. So do you sit there with hands tied just waiting for all the promo holdings or do you take advantage of the other players who are dumping in lots of chips for every pp/sc type of hand?

So the rake is 35-40 more per hour than it normally is, which affects the stacks. But as long as there's Players waiting to sit down that doesn't really matter either.

So you can consider the $4-12/hour extra you pay in rake and offset that with the extra value you should be getting from the chasers and if you happen to hit a HH then it's just a cherry on top.

Rake stinks ... but you aren't there for promos, you're there because you can beat the game. Yes at a higher expense, but you're beating the game non the less. GL

PS .. and yes, I do realize that the stacks you win are lower because of the higher rake. So there is a residual of smaller stacks even if you are not playing/winning very many hands yourself.

I just hate the racetrack tables, never liked playing on them.

So this happened in June, but it’s the first time I’ve seen this. Can’t even pee at a charity room.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/man...ling-alley.amp

That extra $4-12/hour is enough to turn a crusher into a modest winner, and a modest winner into a breakeven player. Also the promo chasers generally are bad for the game because they buy in short and play fairly nitty. So in reality you are playing in crappier games with more rake. So when you have another option not even a mile away without the extra $30 coming off the table every hour, its silly to go to Motor.

Yea, for me the extra $1 coming off in rake from Motor was kind of the last straw in me playing 80% of the time at mgm. I don’t agree at all that they are good for the game. The games at Motor during those promo hours are often filled with 3-4 old man coffees that just limp with any pp and try and hit a set. Now, not these guys are to win against and not predictable, but it always make it hard to win anything significant in a game like this when these guys are basically just occupying seats.

Because I play daytime PLO. Because I play daytime 2-5. Because I can't possibly stand the idea of playing 1-2 unless I absolutely have to.

The day MGM can consistently run a PLO game or a 2-5 Hold Em game before 4 PM, I'll gladly move over there. But until then, I'll be at motorcity playing 2-5 hold em or PLO from at 9 or 10 AM instead of wanting to kill myself while sitting at a 1-2 game at MGM just waiting for 3 PM when maybe, just maybe I'll get a 2-5 game going for the hour or two that I have to leave.

That being said, if I was trying to grind out 1-2, playing at Motorcity is a terrible idea. When they're taking $6 from every $40 pot (and there are way too many of those in a typical 1-2 game), you can't beat that game. In the average $40 pot, you've probably put in 15-18 of that 40. So maybe there's $22 profit..then they take their $6, and you're only making $16 on that pot.

But all of that being said, when I played Thursday morning at Motorcity, there was easily $20,000 on the 2-5 Hold Em table and one specific player riding the rollercaster (he had $5000 at 4 AM, was broke and rebuying by 5:30, ran $500 up to $3000, was broke again by 8 AM, and then turned $800 into $3000 before giving it all away by noon). There was no game at MGM that could match that on Thursday morning. So of course I'm going to play at Motorcity and try to get a piece of all of that money. Luckily, it worked in my favor this week

Tony from Motor City is now working at MGM. I think that he and Keith are the best around and now they're both at MGM. Who will move over next?

Regarding the tournament offerings at MGM... I've heard that they run a $100 buy-in bounty tournament every Sunday afternoon (starts at 2:30pm).

Has anyone played this tournament? I imagine the structure is not so good, but how bad is it? All I know is that the starting stack is either 10K or 12K.

If anyone has any insight or thoughts on this tourney, please post them here if you can. Thanks.

Honestly, if they put Tony in the poker room during the day and Keith in the poker room in the evenings, I don't think I see a reason for anyone to play at Motorcity any more. The best games will move and follow Tony as the daytime poker players at Motor liked him more than any other manager they've ever had over there.

Sure, maybe some of the high hand chasers will still stick around Motorcity, but I bet the daytime 2-5 and 2-5 PLO players will gradually make their way to MGM in the next month or two.

I probably play 3 times per week at Motorcity during the day currently and I often avoided Tony's days off over there because nothing was run quite as well when Tony was out of the room. Opening new games doesn't go as smoothly. High hand payouts take twice as long (for example, I hit one in the 1PM-2PM hour recently and at 2:20 I had to go up to the desk to ask if my hand had held...which I knew it had, just as a hint that maybe they should get around to paying it and it's not like the room was busy that day). Everything just seemed to run better on the days Tony was in the building and now that he's gone, I'm seeing similar problems every day I'm in there.

All it will take is MGM having a 2-5 game or a PLO game by noon every day and I'll never go back to Motorcity

When I was at MGM on Saturday I heard a couple players talking to the dealers about how many dealers have moved over from MCC. So there's more than just Tony.

It seemed like they changed the buy in procedure as I saw a LOT of rebuys and some initial buy ins done at the table, even with the cage open. If that's now the norm it is GREAT. It always sucks waiting at the cage to buy in, and it is TERRIBLE when a guy busts out and instead of tilt-rebuying walks right past the line at the cage and out into the pit.

Now the only thing they need to do is turn down the volume on the ****ing loudspeaker and stop yapping into it every 30 seconds.

Do the dealers at MGM keep their own tips yet?

Nope. They were leaving the box when they moved.

Are there any charity casinos near Brighton? I'm not familiar with the area at all. I know about the website, but I'm geographically challenged. A friend will be in town for a few weeks and is staying out that way.

Not going to do a lot of homework for you, but Livingston County doesn't show any Millionaire Party active licences right now. So it's Lansing, Ann Arbor/Yipsi, Waterford ... actually Walled Lake is fairly close and they have charity games near there ... GL

👍. Thanks

59 west has decent games, that's about 15 min from brighton.....

That is true.. I live out that way.. for now.. and that’s where I play. They have plo.. rxr and nl cash games they run.. their tournies are run pretty well also


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Thanks! That should be perfect

What's all of the rave about Tony about? I'm young and still new-ish to the poker scene, but I saw him at MGM Friday, and everyone at my table was raving about him, and saying how they'd never have 10/20 running without him, and that they hadn't seen the room that full in the longest time, and to expect the 2/5 games to get really good. How can a floor accomplish all of that?

Tony has a long history of organization and fairness from his days at MCC. It's only natural for Players to expect the same thing at MGM ... if he gets managements support.

Unlike the moaning and groaning that comes out of Hammond .. there are options in Detroit and if given the choice 'customers' will flow to where they feel most comfortable ... as long as the games are good (poker caveat). GL

Looks like the weather will break if anyone wants to take the trip to Milwaukee for the MSPT weekend over there. They have Thursday and Friday 3PM starts with a Saturday 100PM start. The $300K prize pool should be blown out of the water as usual. They also have a 'Last Chance' tournament for $580 on Sunday if you bust the ME.

The cash games are usually very juicy and since they play the tournament in a different room they never shut down. I've seen some of the easiest 1/3 table ever in this room ... go get some!! GL

Just to piggyback on what others have said, Tony is the best poker room floor/manager I've ever worked with and that includes all the time I've spent playing in Vegas. He's tough when he needs to be and fair always. Everything runs smoothly when he's around because he puts his staff in positions to be successful.

On top of that, he listens to his players. If people have suggestions or thoughts on how to improve the game or improve the room, he'll listen. And, like anyone good with people, he'll listen and then explain his point of view. If he agrees with you, he'll see what he can do about it. If he disagrees with you, he'll explain why and is very clear about his reasoning. You never get a blank stare and a "We can't do that" answer from Tony. He'll be open and honest with you about how things work in the poker room. There's no bullshit from him. That's the biggest takeaway from all my interactions. His people skills are top notch in an industry where you have to deal with a lot of big personalities and people who think they deserve the world just because they play in a certain casino.

Howcome the 10/20 moved from MC to MGM in the last couple of weeks?

Because MC is a Smokey shithole?

MGM is a nicer room. And Tony is probably schmoozing the big players.

Is the traffic ALWAYS bad using I-96 from Livonia to get to the MGM when the Pistons/Red Wings are home? Being on break I was planning on going there Wednesday and Friday (conveniently one is home for each of those days), and last time it took a ****ing hour, leaving my house 5-530ish, when it normally takes ~ 25 minutes. Was this an isolated incident?

It’s what we call, the rat race. And yes, it’s bad. Although the traffic going to Detroit that time is usually much better than leaving Detroit.