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Old 02-13-2019, 05:29 PM   #45076
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Some good info; however, the dealer at my table was saying that they (MCC dealers) would only be dealing cash during the WPT stop. Unsure how reliable a dealer is, as I am sure mgmt would know more. However I doubt that MCC has anywhere near enough dealers to accommodate the tourney + cash. Hopefully they don't do what they do doing their weekly tournaments and pull trainees/potentials from the pit. Those dealers are slow and make tons of mistakes. I played one recently and aside from the structure being god awful, the 3 dealers I experienced put me on life tilt.
The tough part is, it's really not a great deal for these dealers to work the tournament. They make way more money in tips working the cash games than they do the weekly tournaments at MCC. Too many players in the tournaments will tip the dealer at the end of the final table (if they tip at all), but forget about the other dealers who also dealt the tournament up to that point.

For the WPT, unless they're getting a cut from the entry fee as a dealer fee, it's not worth it for them to deal the tournament over dealing cash that day, especially for the early days of the tournament.

For what it's worth, I don't know for sure that they won't have outside dealers, I just know that Tony told me one of the main reasons for picking a the WPT as a partner is because they will let them use their own dealers. The WSOP would never let them use their own.

Oh, and to be fair, as a somewhat regular 2-5 and PLO player during the day at MCC (usually 2-4 times per week), I can tell you certain daytime dealers drive me crazy and they're mostly full-time poker dealers. Some of the part-time dealers they brought in when the bad beat was high were actually better than the regular dealers, but they told me it wasn't worth leaving a full-time gig upstairs to be a part-time poker dealer (and that was the job change they'd have to make to only deal poker regularly).

We'll see what happens for the WPT
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:24 AM   #45077
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When I played a MSPT at Poto in Milwaukee they brought in the WSOPc Dealers to help out and everyone said it was the best tournament weekend they'd ever had. Sattys were 50% bigger and cash had very little wait. The circuit had an off weekend at that time so the Dealers were available ... obviously that wont happen all the time.

Did Hammond bring in circuit Dealers for the CPC? Could be part of the reason that they changed that over to a second WSOPc stop ... to get those Dealers?

Obviously we don't know/see the true numbers, but attempting to bring in a legitimate tournament brand and then not going all out would be short-sighted IMO. The power of social media and word of mouth from tour reg to reg can crush a venue in a hurry. It's not like 5-8 years ago where Players didn't have lots of choices on their calendars.

I don't see where they have a POY race and tournaments are all over the world (with very few of them streamed) so it would be pretty easy to skip an event if left with a negative experience. I'd hate to see this be a step backwards for the Detroit casino scene. I don't really see Detroit as a gambling destination for non-residents and that same word of mouth that can spread positives just as easily as negatives when you attach it to a known brand of poker. GL
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:59 PM   #45078
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When I played a MSPT at Poto in Milwaukee they brought in the WSOPc Dealers to help out and everyone said it was the best tournament weekend they'd ever had. Sattys were 50% bigger and cash had very little wait. The circuit had an off weekend at that time so the Dealers were available ... obviously that wont happen all the time.

Did Hammond bring in circuit Dealers for the CPC? Could be part of the reason that they changed that over to a second WSOPc stop ... to get those Dealers?

Obviously we don't know/see the true numbers, but attempting to bring in a legitimate tournament brand and then not going all out would be short-sighted IMO. The power of social media and word of mouth from tour reg to reg can crush a venue in a hurry. It's not like 5-8 years ago where Players didn't have lots of choices on their calendars.

I don't see where they have a POY race and tournaments are all over the world (with very few of them streamed) so it would be pretty easy to skip an event if left with a negative experience. I'd hate to see this be a step backwards for the Detroit casino scene. I don't really see Detroit as a gambling destination for non-residents and that same word of mouth that can spread positives just as easily as negatives when you attach it to a known brand of poker. GL

Agreed entirely. You can't drop the ball on things like this (especially as MGM is gaining some traction). That's been true for a while though. Think back to when the HPT did events at Greektown. It was so poorly run, they said they'd never come back and many out of state players who came to Greektown (mostly from Ohio and Indiana) said the same thing. I'm not saying it was the cause of the decline of Greektown, but it definitely didn't help their cause (hiring Ed White to be the poker room manager was just as bad a decision).
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:22 PM   #45079
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I stand corrected on previous statements. Officially the WPT will be bringing their own dealers in because motorcity would never have enough dealers to keep their cash games going on the tournament series. Talked to Tony today and he said dates are solid for Aug 9-18. Probably a smaller 2 day tournament the opening weekend and then their ďmain eventĒ on the last weekend, with smaller tournaments during the week (including two PLO tournaments).
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:26 PM   #45080
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What does everyone think of the Vision Lanes and Malarky's cash games vs MGM 1/2??
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:00 PM   #45081
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Anyone ITT been playing Rosemack lately?

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Old 02-20-2019, 01:35 PM   #45082
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If you're looking for lots of action ... try 5-Star Lanes in Sterling Heights. Looks like they run day and night sessions Wed-Sat right now. Pretty sure it's cash games only and they had a PLO table running the last time I was there. GL
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Old 02-21-2019, 01:05 PM   #45083
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If you're looking for lots of action ... try 5-Star Lanes in Sterling Heights. Looks like they run day and night sessions Wed-Sat right now. Pretty sure it's cash games only and they had a PLO table running the last time I was there. GL
where'd you find this info? I can only find a facebook page that hasn't been updated in 2 yrs saying they're permanently closed. also related articles from Michigan gambling board that they were shut down


did they reopen just recently?

I just moved to sterling heights so it'd be great to have somewhere to play so close to home
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Old 02-21-2019, 01:15 PM   #45084
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You should always check the licenses directly: http://milottery.state.mi.us/gc-mplocator.php

That'll tell you which rooms are open which days, and if there's some ****up with the charity that week.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:24 PM   #45085
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You should always check the licenses directly: http://milottery.state.mi.us/gc-mplocator.php

That'll tell you which rooms are open which days, and if there's some ****up with the charity that week.
looks like 5star lanes is once again thee spot in sterling heights. 2 miles to PLO! ive been walking my dog here for the past for 6 months . thanks

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Old 02-22-2019, 08:53 AM   #45086
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looks like 5star lanes is once again thee spot in sterling heights. 2 miles to PLO! ive been walking my dog here for the past for 6 months . thanks
I'd like a poker playing dog. Five star Fred used to have the best games anywhere. It eventually moved to a different place, but maybe it's the same people that used to play in his games, although I don't think he could be hosting them.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:15 AM   #45087
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Yes, go to the Millionaire Party Locator on the State of Michigan web site. (I don't like clicking or posting links) Just remember that the hours of the license don't always match the exact hours that poker is available. It will show the charity and the venue, but not the Supplier's name. The last time I was there at least one of the Dealers had been dealing up there a very long time. If 'Fred' owns the bowling alley he can't be the Supplier also thanks to our now gone Governor's tightening of the charity poker scene rules. Glad there's something fairly close to where you live for short notice sessions. GL
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:25 AM   #45088
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I'll be in Detroit for poker 3/15-3/17. Anything special going on that weekend? if not plan is to play 2/5 at motor city.
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:27 PM   #45089
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Thereís a mini HPT an hour south in Toledo that weekend.
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Old 02-24-2019, 02:01 PM   #45090
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Interesting, I may look into that, thanks.
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Old 02-24-2019, 03:11 PM   #45091
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Anybody have an opinion on the high hands that have been running at MCC the past few months? I originally thought they were great as opposed to their LOL bad beat jackpot, but lately Iíve just noticed the 2/5 games to be sooo dry. Every time it at least 4 old man coffees that only play QQ+ for massive raises and set mine everything else. They buy in for $300 and sit there all night because they have nothing else better to do and probably make $15/hour in the long run, if that, but they are totally cool with that because they are 100 years old. It has already been bad for awhile but I feel like the high hands just give them an added bonus to do so. Maybe thatís the point?
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Old 02-24-2019, 03:25 PM   #45092
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Have the action players moved to MGM's PLO game?

I keep hearing great things about that game.
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Old 02-24-2019, 03:37 PM   #45093
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Have the action players moved to MGM's PLO game?

I keep hearing great things about that game.
Yea I would say that is true.
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Old 02-24-2019, 04:12 PM   #45094
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Good to head that from another source.

I've never been a big fan of MCC personally. The room is a dingy ****hole with awful 'food' and a permanent cloud of smoke. Never liked the BI structure for the $1/2 game, or the BBJ chasers. The only saving grace seemed to be that $2/5 game running all the time (that I never played).

It's good to see some real competition between MCC and MGM finally. Hopefully that makes all the games better.


Having played other places with the HH draws (Toledo, FL) ... I think that they're generally good for the regulars. You're going to hit them relatively often so it'll help make up for the extra rake you're paying. If non-regular players or out of towners hit them it's good marketing, but we won't see $400k evaporate from the local poker market. If the payout is in chips that can go into play immediately (BI cap be damned) then it can really help the action at the table. HH's make rec players chase more trash trying to hit, which is generally good for the game.

Overall I think that smaller, more frequent HH payouts are *good* for the game and for action. But this is based off mostly $1/2 play. So I think that the state of the $2/5 game is a totally different issue related more to PLO and MGM.
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Old 02-26-2019, 07:55 PM   #45095
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looks like 5star lanes is once again thee spot in sterling heights. 2 miles to PLO! ive been walking my dog here for the past for 6 months . thanks
PLO at 5 Star on Thursday and Saturday. Still a donk shove fest. $200 max buy in and itís a 1-2-5 game so everyone is short stacked and looking to get it in. Get there early or they sell out of chips and you wonít get a seat
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Old 02-26-2019, 07:58 PM   #45096
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I'll be in Detroit for poker 3/15-3/17. Anything special going on that weekend? if not plan is to play 2/5 at motor city.
If youíre playing during the day, 2-5 at motorcity is your best option. If youíre going to play at night, the 2-5 games at MGM on the weekends have been really good. Iíd definitely check out the mgm games in the late afternoon/evenings.
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:02 PM   #45097
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Have the action players moved to MGM's PLO game?

I keep hearing great things about that game.
If you want to play PLO before 5 PM, motorcity is still the only game in town. But, in the evenings, the mgm 1-3 plo is really taking off, especially after they raised the buy in (I believe itís 800 now).

Tuesday night there is a set list for the 5-10 PLO at mgm and they often have more than one table of it going with great action. Even if thereís only one table, there will be a number of 5/10 players playing the 1/3 game while they wait for a seat, which usually makes for a juicy 1/3 game.
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:22 PM   #45098
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If youíre playing during the day, 2-5 at motorcity is your best option. If youíre going to play at night, the 2-5 games at MGM on the weekends have been really good. Iíd definitely check out the mgm games in the late afternoon/evenings.
Interesting. I've played in Detroit a couple times and always thought Motor City 2-5 was clearly the better game, but I'd be happy to check out MGM. Bravo now shows that the MGM 2-5 is $1k max buy-in; that's new right?
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:30 PM   #45099
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Well I've got a job, so I'm not playing any games before 5pm. I really don't care where the "action" is at noon on a Tuesday.

I've heard from a lot of the local guys in the home game rotation about how great the $1/3 PLO is, and it's nice to get other reports on it.
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Old 02-27-2019, 03:50 PM   #45100
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Well I've got a job, so I'm not playing any games before 5pm. I really don't care where the "action" is at noon on a Tuesday.

I've heard from a lot of the local guys in the home game rotation about how great the $1/3 PLO is, and it's nice to get other reports on it.
I have a job too, but comes with flexible hours and responsibilities after 12 years with the firm. Sometimes itís nice to be able to play during the day and still see the wife and kids for dinner and the little ones bedtimes.

But, if youíre only playing at night, I think the games at MGM are your best bet.
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