I will be at firekeeper in a couple hours or so for some 1-2 action.

One of my favorite showdowns happened there. Turn action was check,big bet, call. river goes check, check. First to act tosses his cards in face down. Last to act flashes six high as he scoops. Whoops.

Gross lol

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I threw a party at Greektown yesterday and more than once people were talking on their phones during the hand. Michigan has some stupid rules.

TIL there are parties at Greektown.

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I have a lake house and its English only at the table. Man-O-man Michigan.

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Two A spades face down is not a valid hand

What’s the difference when someone bets turn and everyone folds? By this logic, everyone should have to turn their hand over to collect the pot if they have the last live hand.

And if the difference is “oh it’s different cause all 5 cards aren’t out” my question is why the **** does it matter?

Stupid rule makes no sense. If you can’t come up with a logical reasoning behind a rule, it shouldn’t be a rule. “That’s just the way the rules are” is not a reason.

As far as the talking on the phone during a hand, I honestly don’t care as long as they aren’t slowing the game down. It just haven’t seen it ever allowed aside from preflop where the dealer would usually say they aren’t dealing the flop till they hang up.

In your example you called a raise on the river, right? At this point the hand is now at showdown, and Ive heard you cant fold at showdown. Its not a showdown on the turn, or even if you bet the river and get a fold.

There is a post in the live poker forum about someone betting the river, getting called, and then tossing her cards in face down. The key thing to remember is that tossing your cards to the dealer face down at showdown is not a fold. The hand is live and as long as the cards are identifiable you they can be flipped up, a pot can be awarded if they are a winner. In that post, somehow the person didnt see they had a straight, their cards ended up face up somehow even though they were initially tossed to the dealer face down, and the straight got the pot. Ive personally never seen this situation happen, but the rule buffs seem sure of it.

In the situation last night, they were in the 5 seat and tossed their cards directly into the muck, there was no other live hand to award the pot. What are they going to do if I refuse to show? Forcefully turn my cards over? Take the pot off the table? Spend the next 10 minutes trying to recount the hand and give everyone their money back? It’s not some chip dumping tournament situation. I’m the only one who has held onto my cards throughout the duration of the hand, ship the pot and move on.

Just because it’s a rule doesn’t make it correct; stop defending it guys. There’s plenty of rules that exist that I don’t agree with but at least they have some bit of logic to them. Where’s the logic in this one? To ensure I’m not playing with a joker in my hand? The shufflers count how many cards are inside, that would end it right there. And if I somehow was dealt three cards or two of the same card, would I intentionally close the action expecting to have to turn my hand over?

If people want to argue whether it’s a legit rule or not, that’s fine. I’m arguing that legit or not, it’s a stupid ass rule.

The 5/10/20 NL game is infested with a bunch of nits.

I dont get the rule either, and I have no idea the logic behind it. Ive heard there is an interpretation of state law in Pennsylvania that requires a hand to be shown at showdown to win, even if it is the only unmucked hand. What on earth would happen if they refused I have no idea. Nor do I understand the spirit of that rule.

I also dont understamd the show both cards rule. If I have the one card nut flush I have to show both cards for some reason.

I was more commenting on you using the turn as an example, where that is totally different because its not at showdown.

In summary:

If everyone folds to a bet then the winner does not have to turn their hand up. In some casinos, specifically in Penn I think but it sounds like the rule exists around here too, if the bluffer mucks when called on the river the caller must show their hand to get the pot. I know Firekeepers doesnt have this rule because I see it all the time.

This is all I wanted to hear

If they didn't have idiot rules how would we employ idiots?

'My' latest version of Robert's ... Showdown Rule #1 ... Player must table all his cards in order to be awarded any portion of the pot, whether those cards play or not.

Then you see this in 'Irregularities' ... "A player who knows the deck is defective has an obligation to point this out. If such a player instead tries to win a pot by taking aggressive action (trying for a freeroll), the player MAY lose the right to a refund, and the chips MAY be required to stay in the pot for the next deal." (Only players dealt into 'that' hand may be dealt into the splash pot hand!)

There are some recent posts in the The Breakroom Thread about this as well ... could be a room rule and also could be tied to state law/regulation as well. As stated, the spirit of the rule is that you have to show a valid hand to win 'any' showdown. The rules don't specifically address applying the combination of these rules 'simultaneously'.

The logic is sound, but I think we have moved on for some of the rules that may never get changed. TDA only meets every 2 years I think? And last I knew the guy who publishes Robert's indicated he had done so for the last time ... any takers? GL

Yes .. The 5/10/20 can be nitty .. but ..
1) It's fun to try to put them into a 'butt cheek squeezing' spot from time to time ..
2) Just like any other table, the right combination of players (and position) can be very profitable. As one who doesn't really ride the 'deck or seat change' train, I will seat change in higher stake games if I see it being better for my game play.


MSPT satty/qualifier structures are set up to force action about every 3-4 levels so you do need to pay attention and try for a few steals/double ups. It also stinks when a player calls your shove with A4s into your KK/QQ with 30 BB and you get snapped off at 'any' point in time during one of these 'survivor' tournaments because they're too stubborn to wait for a better spot with their remaining 24 BB.

I haven't played a $65 in a few years. I did really well in them 4-5 years ago but I'm to the point where I think I can make $200 in cash in a shorter time frame. I like the idea of playing these to get your mind into tournament mode though. It really helped me last week in Milwaukee's MSPT. I won a $260 for each Day 1 over there but didn't make it to Day 2 either time ... and both guys who busted me made the Final Table!! GL

Can someone clarify that i’m looking at a type-o when poker atlas is telling me that the Saturday night tourney at Woodhaven Lanes has a starting stack of Two Thousand Five Hundred big blinds.

It's not a typo but it's not correct. Blinds start at 1k 1k.

Also incorrect: that rebuys are $10. (They are the full $35 and they are re entries, not rebuys. They will let all re entries in eventually, even after break.)

Also incorrect: that it is always NLHE every Saturday night. Every other Saturday is a RxR tournament. 15 mins of holdem, 30 of plo. Upcoming schedule can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/WHPWoodhaven/

Every Saturday night tourney has a decent structure (for a charity room.) They run about 5 hours.

(Warning, the players are really bad at plo. 5 left on Saturday, guy went after me pf w/ A7hh 72sd. I had AKcc A10dd. We got it all in, flop was 7c 5h 2h. gg.)

See how bad?? Bout.. you know better..


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this forum is only for poker players nitro...

I was in Greektown last thursday. I arrived after some big commotion went down. Security had two people in the back for statements and this is what was explained to me by others at the table.

1. player gets up to have a smoke with about $600 in chips in front of him
2. after a bit of time, player has not returned yet
3. a regular sits down at players stack
4. regular plays blind with player's stack
5. regular racks up and takes off
6. player returns.. and you can guess he wasn't pleased.

after a few hours (i was there for the tail end of it), it seems like mgmt agreed to repay the guys stack based on what one of the guys who made a statement said.

absolutely crazy story to me.

Did the reg at least run his comps down to zero before cashing out?
1) No one at the table spoke up?
2) Greektown has Bravo .. no name shown? Dealer didn't match wrong name to reg?


Looks like MCC barely made the guaranty for Sunday's tournament at 57 entries. Wonder if that happens often and how many of those were $150 re-buys? They also dropped the Tuesday HH promo? .. only Wed and Sat listed now.

What happens to the reg?

Assuming all the facts here to be true ... There could be a couple of scenarios.
1) The reg (Really?!!) walks back into the casino 'as usual' and gets a tap on the shoulder. If they fess up and pay back the cash, then they might get off with just a permanent ban from all 'Jack' properties. (Look out MCC and MGM)

2) The casino will have already brought in Detroit PD/MSP and this will be treated as any other theft within the legal system with charges and warrants being issued. How that gets handled would be based on any previous issues the reg may have been through ... and a permanent ban from 'Jack' properties will be issued.

If DPD/MSP is involved, with the 'small' $$ involved it may take some time for this to filter through a detectives desk. But eventually this person will get pulled over (for something else) with an outstanding warrant or be contacted some other way. GL

The reg was known to dealers and other players but nobody else at the table noticed when he did it. I don't know what happened after as that was my only time in the poker room. I've already flown home.

I'm confident that you can verify this story with dealers/regulars in the room. One of the gentlemen who made a statement told me he's in the poker room 300+ days/year. Grey hair, beard, glasses, walks with a cane.

This situation still blows my mind.

Its been about 11 years since I have played at Greektown but this seems about like how it was managed back then. The floor could always be counted on to respond to any situation in the worst way possible.