Well tell me why bellagio has more pros than fish?they also have the most tables running in vegas nightly. Planet Hollywood has a bunch of tourist and fish but don't have a quarter of the games going as bellagio.

A lot of people don't play professional. They go to nice rooms for a reason,because the people with money want to go where other people with money go. They don't want buy in for 50 and sit at table with grumpy people.

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If you're talking about running a home game, please take your discussion of it to the Home Games forum. If you're talking about running a "club" as you stated previously, that's not legal in Michigan so you can't discuss it in this forum either. Let's keep discussion to live, legal poker. Thanks.

Ok. No problem. I was just wondering because for days I've seen people complaining about charity rooms. Now I see why people still go, because nothing else is legal.

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The reason I go to charity rooms is the close proximity to the crib ( 2 rooms within 5 minutes). I always look at it as cheap entertainment. Still, as a paying customer I should have any security concerns addressed by someone. Who that someone is is another question. Don't know if "is is" is proper.

As many of said, the charity rooms get action because of their location. They're in the suburbs and people can avoid the 20-50 minute drive to the downtown casinos (or worse if you're sitting in rush hour or construction traffic to get home).

If someone built a casino in Livonia/Farmington/Novi and one in Auburn Hills/Troy/Rochester, you'd see many of the charity rooms out of business. Not all of them, but they'd get significantly less action. All the time, you hear people in the charity rooms say they play there because they "didn't want to drive downtown." You also get some worse players, more social players, in the charity rooms for the same reason. If you can go five minutes from home and play it's much less commitment than driving into downtown Detroit.

I've always said the land where the Palace of Auburn Hills is located would be a fantastic place for someone to build a casino, but I can guarantee the 3 casinos downtown would do everything in their power to try to block this from happening (the same way they maintained the ability to smoke in the casinos even though the rest of the state is smoke free in any business). In Auburn Hills, you'd get all the Troy/Rochester/Shelby gamblers. You'd also add in the Birmingham/Bloomfield Hills crowd (assuming it's done right). You'd attract such a large market of decent money (Oakland county at one point was one of the top 3 most affluent counties in the United States..it's dropped a little but there's still a lot of money). You'd also get all the Flint gambling traffic that would stop there instead of driving 30 miles farther to get into downtown.

WPT.com is not legal in Michigan .. It's basically the same things as a poker club.

Charity room issues will depend on who you talk to, but I think the majority is in the limited chip sales department, which pretty much eliminates 2/5 and PLO from the mix for more than a 3-4 hour session.

Charity rooms are limited to $900 in 'expenses' per day right now. Which basically means that the Supplier gets whatever is left after rent is paid .. as long as the rake is at least $2K for the day. Running tournaments is a labor (expense) nightmare since everything is fixed, but most rooms run tournaments since it fuels the cash games and it makes the room look busy. And of course, players want tournaments (cheap entry/entertainment)! Who do express your concerns to? The Floor who will pass them on to the 'eye rolling have you seen my budget lately' owners of the room. The facilities that rent the rooms typically are looking to make hay with increase food/beverage sales, not $1-200 a night in rent.

If one of the casinos decided to put the effort into tournaments they would crush IMO. But floor space is at a premium and tournaments don't run 24/7 like slots (at $0.00 labor). From a management standpoint (at least at FK) the dealers get paid a different rate and tips are pooled for tournaments, creating paperwork.

As you know .. I could chat for a long time on these topics ... GL


PS .. Unless you could get the Palace land into tribal hands somehow that would be a monumental task as suggested. It's harder to stop a tribal casino but they certainly could slow it down.

always curious and most here seem more educated on it than I, are any of the casinos downtown owned by tribes? on tribal land? thanks!

I thought that all three Detroit Casinos were *NOT* tribal casinos and instead normal gaming licenses like in LV or AC.

Can you give me a link for that episode?

Greektown originally was tribal, but was purchased out of bankruptcy by investors who have since sold to 'Quicken Loans' parent corporation. Greektown 'should' be re-themed "The Jack" eventually to match the other casinos held ... Cleveland and Cincinnati are in the group of 5 or 6 owned I believe.

MGM and Motor City were started by investor groups with permits issued by MGCB. In a twist of fate, MCC was chosen to be sold (to Mama Ilitch) because the group that owned it was involved in a much larger takeover that included the MGM and Michigan law doesn't allow for ownership in more than one property.

Also within Michigan law there shall be no more than 3 casinos allowed in a city that has also passed numerous 'laws' that would govern any casinos. So Detroit is 'full'. For $25K you can begin the application process ... as long as you already have a city lined up to do so 'with' you. GL

This just isn't true.

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Bellagio has rich as **** fish because they like *staying* at the Bellagio.

Quiet thread this week ... Casey Carroll and Tom Medina are ITM and have bigger stacks in the $1K PLO WSOP Day 2 today. Casey has over 200K for chip lead with huge advantage over 2nd place for now (It's PLO!) .. I think Tom is around 90K.

FKeepers BBJ still hangin' around at over $143K ... AAAJJ beat by quads or better .. GL

MCC quads over quads jackpot is over $523K

Wifey going to see Nippleback @ Pine Knob 1 week from Saturday. Thinking of hitting up QoH II for their 7:30 tourney. Anyone played in this? $35. 500bb starting stack. 20 min. blinds for 1st 4 levels, then 15 min thereafter. Maybe some cheap entertainment. Not as much play as QoH I or Momo's but definitely better than the Vision turbofest.

That the one in Trenton? It's alright. You get one add on at break for $10 for an extra $500k. Most people did the add on. I can't comment on the players as I've only played there once. I did make it to heads up and we chopped. Room was cold so that wasn't comfortable. Need a jacket.


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Drove by Wayne Bowl ( QoH II ) on Thursday about 5:00 P.M. 2 cars in the parking lot. PokerAtlas says they have tournaments at 4:30 & 7:30 so not sure what's up with that.

Did the Bad Beat Jackpot get hit yet at MCC?
How many 2-5 NL do they usually run on Saturday night?
Thanks guys

If you haven't found your answer yet, give them a call; 313-237-6735. I doubt it or else people would be talking about it.

I was there yesterday mid-day and it still hadn't been hit.

Thanks guys. I ended up having 5 hours to kill yesterday and played at MCC for about 5 hours. It didn't get hit yet and it's now up to $530,000. They had about 18 tables running last night. If they could only get on Bravo...

FKeepers BBJ still going as of last Friday AM as well. Should be around $150K if it didn't hit. Thursday 1-3 PLO game was still very good with a feeder table when I left at 230 AM. Not sure if many of them travel to Vegas or not. The 2/5 game definitely suffered from Vegas fallout .. I didn't even go to the table when my spot came up and it broke less than 30 minutes later.

Went down to Hammond Saturday night since we went to Aladdin musical on Sunday in Chicago. (Very well done show if you are into such shows. Palace Theater) Both the 2-5 (maybe 90 minutes) and both 5-10 tables (feeder and main) were very 'playable'. I wont say 'beatable' but I wasn't feeling out classed. LOTS of 3-betting PF at 5-10 for isolation.

I would've loved to stay at my 2-5 table normally but I don't get to play 5-10 very often and wanted to spend some time at that stake before donking my way to Vegas in a couple weeks. There were at least 3 $3k+ stacks at the 2-5 table when I sat down and basically none of the 3-bets there were getting through ... fun spots. GL

Is the BBJ any quad over quad or is it 5's or better?

The MotorCity hold em BBJ is any quads over any quads.

That is for the 'major' (whole) pot. There is a 'mini' (10%) which I believe is AAAKK being beaten by any quads or better. One of my buddies put on a bit of an excessive celebration when his straight flush beat quads a couple of years ago ... live and learn!

FKeepers BBJ ($145K) hit sometime on Sunday. The new BBJ is $69K .. which is about $20K above where is normally hits 'already'. So that room should still be seeing some good action until it hits again. AAAJJ beaten by quads or better. GL