This.

You have 11k and his raise is 1800 more so over 16% of your stack to just flat call would be completely awful with AQ. Your just going to put yourself in terrible situations giving up on most flops when you could have either picked up chips from shoving or made a tight fold.

When you brick the flop and he just leads out then you fold which will happen so frequently you are giving away so much here and a lot of times he will be moving you off of the best hand because you just miss too much.

If he's been very active in his time at the table then I'd lean more towards the shove but if he's barely played any hands then I'd lean towards a nitty fold since his preflop raise of 5x is quite big on the button when nobody has entered the pot which even for him on his stack size is quite big to where he's likely not folding to your jam so it's whether you feel you have his range beat enough here or not.

Without any information I'd lean towards the nitty fold since you still have like 27bbs to work.

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If your in the sb, and villain is on the button, you have position in 8 of 9 hands.

Reasoning behind the call... Bout had been down to like 4k in chips earlier and played his way back. With the way he had been playing, I figured he can find another spot to jam and get it in better than what he had at that point. Still having 25bb is not end of the world. I just don't like the shove there with almost 30bb into a bug raise like that.

I would have either folded or flatted and see if I can hit yahtzee on the flop or look to fight another day... either way shoving was the wrong move and calling was more than likely the wrong move. The only right move would have been to fold

If villain has made this play 3 times in 25 hands that's a pretty big clip. Our AQs vs a 25% range gives us 61.7 % equity. #notamathguy

3 times in 25 hands actually isn't that aggro, I would definitely give him less credit with it being a button raise however. I just have a hard time ripping 27 bbs over an open just because there is still so much play in that stack size. I definitely don't hate it because I'm sure he had some fold equity and would pick up a decent amount of chips if he wasn't called and AQ suited has ok equity against everything but aces when called.

I don't see how you think folding is the right move there. Other than by being able to see the opponent's hand.

Put this in $1/2 terms: He raised to $10, you started the hand with $55. If this isn't a ship all day every day I don't know what is. You've still got enough chips to have FE, and a big enough hand to flip coins with most pairs.

Well, 3/25 is only 12%, and he may not be continuing with his entire raising range.

Fold post flop.

So ... call with AQs, then fold if we miss? This seems like lighting money on fire.

This is not a cash game. Better spot can be chosen later. You're firing with complete air at that point. Guy has ak or 22.. you are behind.. not a gamble, at that point in the tourney, I am taking.

Calling with the intention of playing fit-or-fold OOP with a short stack is bad. You're folding to any C-bet far too often to make up for the chips you're committing preflop. You're only going to hit about 1/3 of the time.

Then even if you do decide to flat, you should be looking to bet more flops anyway. Is 22 calling you on a 37J board when you bet? Or AK? Probably not. Problem is it's harder to do this OOP.

Fold or shove over the original raise. I think Jose313 knows what he's talking about here too.

Totally agree

What range would you put the villain on ? Do you think our shove has any fold equity ?
I would shove or fold. Shove and I have a good chance to be the favorite. Fold and I have position on the villain in 8 of 9 hands every orbit.

Well, while he's not *that* aggro, he is OTB in an unopened pot. So I'd expect a wider range than just top 12%. AXs, big broadways, obviously all pairs, some SCs, hell, even air sometimes if the table has been tight (which we don't know about).

I think we have a good amount of FE against everything other than AJ+ and TT+. The few times he does call off with something worse like A8s or whatever, we're ahead (sometimes by a lot). Against the big hands we still retain *some* FE (not an awful lot of course), and still have marginal equity ourselves (3 A's against KK/QQ, 3 Q's against AK, plus our flush draws for another 2% or whatever, only really crushed against AA).

I can see the argument to wait for a better spot late in a tournament, but that really needs to mean a fold instead OOP.

When you look at FE you need to know the V whole range. We 'need' some hands we beat to call here in order to make this a good move with 30+BB IMO. I've seen many a case lately where the red zone doesn't even start until 12-15BB in today's world. Granted those are deeper/slower tournaments ...

He may just be on a hot streak right now. Were all these 'moves' in LP? I guess we don't know what he would've done beyond the Flop in those hands since he got everyone to fold ... maybe they were folding for a reason?

To flip it around .. is it really worth risking our whole stack to only increase it by 12%?

Easy to bash after the fact if you want to take that tone. It just sucks when you 'know' a guy is doing this 'too often' and then he ends up with a hand the time you try to challenge him.

I think I can do my fair share of flatting here to see how he handles things on the Flop, but shoving is certainly on the radar .. folding not so much, but I am a cash guy so it's hard for me to let such a good hand go and I want to play a little poker with the guy when I have decent cards. GL

Never met jose313 but I would listen to what he says. His strat itt is always spot on and he has the results to back it up.

Big difference in tourneys compared to cash is the value of a chip won compared to a chip lost. In cash they are both the same, while in a tourney every chip lost is worth more than a chip won because winning all the chips does not mean you win all the money like it does in a cash game. That's why flatting this amount of your stack is not a good play in this spot.

Anyways in Toledo for the first flight of the $300 that starts in 25 minutes.

Gl.. I'm playing 1b at 1115 tomorrow

Same. Table 7 seat 3. GL

Take it down alex or bug! Gl

Table 2 seat 9 gl

Debating doing Toledo for cash tomorrow. Been wanting some Chick-fil-a since Christmas vacation.

Last time I was there they changed the max buy in at $1/2 down to $200 Really not a fan, but the players are bad and the room is nice. And it's not my local charity room.

I haven't played there in a few months but changing it back to $200 is awful.

I wonder what went into this change but for some charity rooms I've played in where people are button straddling $10 the game those play way bigger if all you can buyin for is $200 or $300 compared to max $4 straddle only allowed from UTG.

Table 6 seat 8

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