I actually agree the sense in which "boring" means "doesn't look like what they play on TV" or "Doesn't leave me with the illusion that i could win every chip on the table in a hand or two". But you need those qualifications. Conversely one could argue that poker without showdowns is boring, or poker where i don't get to chase my draws without getting destroyed is boring.

I'm not trying to start a L/NL flame war; i think understanding the motivation of poor players to play a form of poker where they have a huge disadvantage rather than another where (for the stakes) they have a slight disadvantage is really important for us to predict where the game is headed. I agree that LHE is perceived as boring, as so i'd like to better understand how we can take NL's "non-boringness" and package it in some sort of poker the weaker players would enjoy playing after NLHE skins them alive.

(The future of different games is a great topic that i'm sure has been debated a million times on this site, but i don't know exactly where to find some of those threads. BTW, is it acceptable to write my own blog posts and link them in the discussion?)

PM Rapini for a ruling I guess.

I like limit poker. I enjoy all poker, really. I think people don't appreciate the skill in it as much when they can't win without a showdown. My guess is that needing a winning hand to win a pot equals boring to most people. Let's change the topic to why HORSE is not spread more. In before AtariRob loves Razz reference.

$150.00 to $100.00 that it is full (60) players.

^^ I heard some mumblings they were gonna bring in a second charity, but I wouldn't bet on it.

right. bad PLO players fold too much and that's a huge leak that leaves them spewing chips with fewer opportunities to win em back.

a great aspect of holdem that attracts rank amateurs is the idea that the game is a puzzle and the perfect route to riches is there if they play their hands absolutely perfect. this leads to folks folding down to $30 in 1/2 then overcalling half their stack preflop and folding when it gets squeezed. people like to think of things in black and white, and the flowing nature of the variance in poker (especially pronounced in plo) is difficult to grasp for people who've only seen holdem played on tv.

There are way to many situations in PLO where you gotta put you're stack in the middle because it's the "correct play" with the amount of outs and pot odds. I prefer NL hold'em because I am more of a grinder. I don't mind an 8hr session because in the long run I will stack 4 or more players. Even in NL hold'em I try to stay away from calling off stacks on coin flips or even 60/40 so PLO is definitely not for me. It's true PLO requires alot more mathematical thinking and that gives an edge to better players but there is no doubt it's more of a gambling game than hold'em...which gives bad players a better shot to win then they have in NL hold'em.
Sincerely,
"Hold'em snob"

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.There is another theory which states that this has already happened

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Thats it. Thats all there is.

You're a master.

Please tell me thats your towel.

i raise you with that's my shower, too

The difficulty with this conversation is that it's very different from most of the ones I've had of late. Which, as I explained, have mostly been with trees.


sick brag tho

Hey guys. Tournament player here. I play at Taylor Lanes and the Electric Stick in Westland all the time. $50 deepstack at Taylor on Friday nights ($100,000 starting stack, 15 min. blinds) and the monthly $100 Saturday afternoon 2:00 tourney in Westland are my two favorites....

I'm not seeing any info on the Snookers $250 tourney this Saturday.. not seeing anything here anyway: http://www.umichiganpoker.com/poker-...ty-poker-room/
just has their regular Saturday afternoon tourney listed...

speaking of looking at and thinking about trees, i saw this hilarious paper-version of the internet today and i just had to see what the **** it could be. and i was gonna post it here laughing about how terrible it is compared to internet. and right as i was gonna do that the server went down and the paper remained.



also. i just called snookers to confirm, the 250 is at noon this saturday, and he said they'll likely do multiple tourneys that will each cap at 60. registration opens at 10am, jose! i have a feeling we're both gonna have our own struggle with that.

Did you mean Cada's, because otherwise I'm confused.

snookers, this saturday, $250, 30k starting stacks 30 minute levels.

This is actually so cool. GL to all playing.

Does anyone know specifically when MC is going to start spreading the NLHE/PLO RxR?

Floor people said nothing specific, just "next week".

For anybody with interest in playing plo8 this Saturday I believe we have enough commitments from the Weds. Pampa guys for this to run. We're planning on Cada's at
6pm on Saturday, hope to see you out there.

I plan to be there.

Quick spot check. $1/2 at Snookers. Literally, 75% of the table is limping 85% of hands preflop. (I watched an orbit before sitting down). No one is taking the role as the table captain, this is my third hand at the table.

I'm dealt 5s5h in the sb. I call the $1 (8 limpers) and we see a flop of KdJd5c. I lead for $15, a solid older guy with about 250bb flats and the tighest, overweight, 50-something year old guy raises to $65. I'm roughly at my $200 starting stack and he covers.

Hero?

I shove.

Fist pump shove.