Yes there is a players card.....just tell the desk when you are coming in that you need one...they'll hook you up, when you get to the table, the dealer uses your card to swipe you into your seat with the bravo board....easy peasy, you wont have to worry about losing your comp $, when you leave the game, the dealer checks you out on their bravo board.

sounds bangin'

IT depends on the house rules if a winning hand needs to be shown if there is a called bet on the river

In certain places if the hand is called and the bettor auto mucks, than the pot is just shipped to the caller. In other places gaming commision law states that a winning hand HAS to be Tabled for the cameras if there is a bet and a call.

In this situation, what should have occured is that the hands are both touched to the muck by the dealer but set aside, have the pot pushed to the correct player, and then expose the hand if IWTSTH is invoked. But the floor was correct in asking if there is a suspicion of collusion before invoking IWTSTH, but was also correct in ruling that the Caller had to show his winning hand in that situation.

I am guessing the caller was an older gentleman? A little crusty around the edges? Didnt want to have to show his scummy top pair if he didnt have to?

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/break...#axzz0rGDP6gDv

Posted on Fri, Jun. 18, 2010


Delaware Park’s big day: Table games start
By Suzette Parmley

INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

In another threat to a struggling Atlantic City and competition to Pennsylvania's new casinos, Delaware's largest gambling hall began offering table games Friday.
Delaware Park, in Wilmington, about 25 miles from Harrah's Chester Casino and Racetrack in Chester, Delaware County, debuted games including blackjack, craps and poker.

"We have always believed that we can compete with anyone in the area," Delaware Park president Bill Fasy said at a noon news conference to announce the launch. "The addition of table games gives us one more exciting option for our customers and helps us serve our local customer base."

Delaware Park is the second of the state's three racinos - or racetracks with slot machines - to begin offering table games.

On May 28, Harrington Raceway and Casino became the first Delaware venue to open its doors to table gamers.

Dover Downs Hotel & Casino will come online with 24-hour table gambling next Friday.

Delaware, like Pennsylvania, has been a feeder market for Atlantic City's casinos. As those states' casino operations have expanded, the Shore gambling mecca has suffered a substantial loss of revenue. Total revenue for the first five months of the year for Atlantic City's 11 casinos was $1.49 billion, down 7.9 percent from the same period in 2009.

Next month, nine Pennsylvania casinos are scheduled to begin offering table games.

Delaware has offered slot machine gambling at its three facilities only since the mid-1990s. Gross slots revenue was $235.3 million in 2009.

On Friday, 42 games, including blackjack, roulette, craps, mini- and midi-baccarat, as well as a poker room with 20 tables on the second level, were unveiled at Delaware Park.

"Our team has been working hard to ensure the rollout of table games is as exciting for our gaming guests as it is for all of us at Delaware Park," said Andrew Gentile, Delaware Park's chief operating officer. "We've been anticipating this day for a long time."



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Contact staff writer Suzette Parmley at 215-854-2594 or sparmley@phillynews.com.

Anyone there today? If the 2/5 NL is good action, I'd rather go to this place than A.C. (given that the commute will be shorter and I'll save $11.50 in tolls), until Harrah's Chester, SugarHouse and Parx have good 2/5 NL action up and running.

wow was it crowded tonight, all tables full, wait list for 1/2 nl was up to 80 at one point. craziness

Any word on the limit games? Anything 10/20 and higher?

Interesting night at DP. It was a big crowd starting at about 7 PM. The games I saw them spreading included 1-2 NL. 3-6 limit. 3-6 Omaha, 5-10 NL and 7 stud. I'm not sure if they ever got a horse game off the ground or a bigger game like 10 20. It was a packed house and as expected, the level of dealing dropped considerably. In fact, more than a few were just plain bad. Many of the dealers were quite nervous and I'm not sure that I blame them. It was a big night for them. All in all, a very nice time had by all who didn't lose. The bravo system seemed to slow things down and the waitress staff was too short in supply. I did like the fact that when a waitress isn't around they have a self service soda station very nearby. It was a really crazy time. the mini BBJ is a's over j's and bigger jackpot is quad j's beat. I did not see much strattling. Just once on the strattler on the button in four hours. My table played pretty tight with not many guys new to the game. I think I'd have liked more action, but I did not request a table change. I never saw the list get to 80, but it was long. A big Baltimore/Delaware crowd, all happy to close out that long drive home from AC. DP did a good thing in hiring a Vegas/Borgata manager who knows the game and business. They at least also figured out how to get a good core to their dealing staff. Because I'm a poker degen, I'll probably go over tomorrow at 3 to see what the crowd is like during live racing.

I don't see how they'll be able to maintain anything close to that level of crowd, but like the last poster said, it was pretty crazy.

Yesterday was sick.

I got there at noon and played 1/2 for about a half hour til the first 2/5 game off at about 12:30. Great action in the 2/5 game.

I left at about 5:30pm to go to a monthly home game (shouldn't have) and at that time they were starting a third 2/5 game.

Came back at 11:30pm and every table was full with so many people on the list that I couldn't get in a game. There were 4 2/5nl games going and a 5/10nl. The board showed enough people for another 5/10 game, enough people to start a 10/20nl game, full interest lists for all kinds of plo, horse, O 8/B, etc. But they couldn't start them b/c the room was full.

I stopped by the room manager and asked what the odds are we would get a bigger room, he said "We'll get one, we may move the bigger games downstairs". I hope they do it fast, getting shut out of a game sucks.

From what I saw last night, this place is going to be a little slice of heaven.

Thanks for the clarification. Yep, crusty old guy didn't want to show his j-9. He got offended when the floor asked about collusion, and said no, he didn't think the guy was a crossdresser, ha ha. He seemed to sincerely not know what collusion was until we told him.

Also found out that if you miss the blinds you can come back in any position for a straddle plus a dead SB. That's a nice rule.

Hey, just joined, been reading the forum for 2 years. As a Philly native who spent 2 years in LA (2006-2008), I'm still in almost a state of disbelief that I now have an AC-style poker room option 20 minutes from my house with no tolls (DP). And my mind is still trying to wrap itself around what it's gonna be like in a month when I have another AC-style poker room 10 minutes from my house (Harrah's Chester). I truly never thought this was going to happen in my lifetime. PA, DE and NJ are just so screwed up in how they approach booze and gambling I never even considered it a possibility.
The grind of having to make the hour + 45 min trip to AC and that crappy situation of having run bad and hump up the expressway at 3 AM with an empty wallet and the frustration of getting caught in the Borg on a 1-outer on the river by a drunk North Jersey yahoo splashing the pot could be gone forever for me.
When I was living in Santa Monica, there was nothing like being able to roll out of bed on a late Saturday and shoot on over to Hollywood Park for a 10 hour bender. No pay for parking, 15 minute drive on a good day. While the vibe of HP was fun to me (wonder if they still have the cheesy dry-erase board), I know it isn't for everyone, but it was a great room to learn the dynamics of live cash games after playing on the internet.
Anyway, I just wanted to say to all of you waiting for this that it's gonna feel like heaven, I promise.
I'm headed over today and will post a TR for you all. I'll be the rock playing tighter than Harrington.

A buddy and I rolled up to DP yesterday from the Baltimore area. We ran into some pretty bad traffic both ways (~2PM arrival, left ~6PM), there was some road work.

The poker room is nice. I spoke with one of the floor staff RE: dealing jobs and may look into it in the next few months. I played in a 7-handed $2/5 must-move for <30 minutes before stacking off w/ an overpair and decided to go downstairs and check out the tables games. BTW: I straddled from every position one orbit and it seemed to bother/confuse several of the players at the table (namely the guy to my immed left presumably b/c he was now first to act preflop every hand), I was just trying to move some chips around--it worked :/.

The blackjack dealer I got was terrible. I understand it was his first day and he was probably nervous, but this guy just isn't going to make it. He received a fill for $40 in whites, $1000 in greens and $2000 in blacks and it took him literally five minutes to get this chips into the tray. He splashed a whole stack of greens all in the tray and simply had no clue how to cut out the chips for the cameras. It would have been super funny if I wasn't stuck, but I still got a kick out of it--I wanted to help the guy or just tell him to step aside and let me get it.

The craps dealers seemed much better. Although, one lady missed my PL bet when the shooter threw a 3 on the comeout.

Cliffs:

-wasn't there long
-poker room is nice/spacious, everyone I encountered seemed helpful
-met the worst BJ dealer EVER
-craps is stupid
-minus $700

Any info on the rake structure? Is 2-5NL and up on a timed basis... $5/half hour per player? Is 1-2NL 10% up to $4 max per hand. There are no plans for a bad beat jackpot correct?

Elusively u mean to tell me that u actually lost a 2+2er that admits he lost I can't believe it......I thought all 2+2ers had 100% win rate

As we were pulling up, this is the first thing I noticed. I commented, "I wouldn't want to walk out here w/ a few thousand in my pocket, this looks unsafe."

We valeted.

Went to DP yesterday. I arrived around 330pm. I got on the list for 2-5. i was the first one on the list. I walk around the room and find the 2-5 games (there are 2 running) a main game and a must move. There are only 5 seated at the must move game so I let them know and they seat me. Played short handed for about an hour. Action was pretty good. Dealers were horible during the day. Everytime a new dealer would sit they would request a fill and delay the game. It was fustrating, One dealer would get rid of five dollar chips for ones, then the next dealer would send the one dollar chips back and get fives. Pretty pointless and really slowed doen the game. In AC they might request a fill every 3-4 hours. These guys are doing it every half hour.

The day was going pretty good, up about 300 a few hours into the session. I am the SB with k 10 diamonds. 6 people limp and I complete the bet. BB makes it 15 everyone calls. Flop comes k 10 2 rainbow. I check BB bets 75 everyone folds to me. Lady was super tight obvious she had aces. I raise to 200 and she shoves about 500 total. I call she turns the aces over, problem was the dealer did also. Turn card was an ace and I lose a monster. About ten hands later I flop a flush and get busted by a higher flush. I was so pissed I forgot to tell the dealer to hold my seat. When i came back there were 52 on the 1-2 list and 18 on the 2-5 list waited for about a half an hour moved loke 5 spots on the 2-5 so I just left. They need more tables. This should be a pretty good room once they work out some issues.

5/10 and up is time. 2/5 and 1/2 are 10% up to $4 plus $1 BBJ.

There are 2 BBJs. The mini is for the table, not the room, and is $10k for aces full of jacks beat. The mega is for the room and starts at $50k for quad jacks beat. It drops every week, so next week it will be quad tens, and so on. Starts back at $50k and quad jacks after it hits.

I arrived at DP @ noon, Friday. Played 3/6 just to see how everything was being handled. I must say that I was impressed. The room was nice & the staff was friendly. Our table had a mix of experienced & new dealers. Some of the new ones were a little slow, but that will improve over time. I remember one dealer at the Borgata, when they first opened. She was so nervous that she was almost in a state of shock. She is still dealing today & is one of the best they got. It just takes time & a little patience from the players. I'm going to miss the Borgata, but not the hour & a half drive. 7 miles from my house to the parking lot is a whole lot better.

Just got back from DP. Rolled in around 12:30 PM, played 3/6 LHE, stayed for about 6 hours at one table.

1. +1 about the parking lot. Looks dangerous as heck at night - would definitely recommend valet if you're going to be there late.
2. +1 about the slot noise. One of the slot machines had this tune it played every couple of minutes. Several of us wanted to go after the machine with a bat. The glass will definitely help.
3. Action was really fishy, like wow fishy, like fishy like Foxwoods on a weekend. We had a calling station at the table who literally could not fold once he went in. We figure he burned through around 400 in 2 hours. He got a lot of action. Dude frequently went all the way to showdown with J high, K high and actually showed his cards. Funny thing was, he would be holding nada in his hand on many turns and rivers, and then would go in the tank to think about whether or not to bet. It was strange, because he would always call anyway. We also had a dude who had 3 really bad beats early then went crazy with the preflop raises to try to make up for it. Tried to bluff frequently and, as you would expect, got plenty of action from people who actually had a hand. He burned through some cash, too. He tried to get his raising under control but couldn't help himself. Out of the entire table, only 2 people really knew what they were doing. Regardless, lots of action. Frequently 7-9 people in the hand, 4-5 when it got raised up.
4. Cage was horrible as the day went on. I waited 20 minutes to cash out - only one cashier working and who kept switching back and forth between the line of people and the chip runners. Infuriating. They had 2 stations - why they only had one cashier working both the chip runners and the window is beyond me.
5. Had absolutely no problems with the dealers. 3 of them came over from Vegas with the room manager and they were great. 2 of them were clearly new and showed it, but no errors. Interestingly, the newbie dealers were treated pretty crappy by the floor guys. There definitely feels like a tier structure there, with the experienced dealers held in much better favor than the newbies. I think you're gonna see a lot of dealers disappear simply because of this.
6. Room is really nice. Ton of flatscreens tuned to anything you can think of. Waitresses came around often.

Overall, great time. Will be going back on the weekends during the day - it will be nice to play people other than the rock-fossils that play Harrah's and the Borg Saturday afternoons, where the pots frequently 10 bucks.

arrived at 2pm on Thursday stayed until about 4pm, got paid on both flopped sets and left up $380 the game was super soft (1/2NL) obv need to expand room but who knows how long this kind of turn out will hold up for. Lady at the front taking names deleted the list for 1/2 twice while i was waiting so the floor just opened a new game and sat 8 to start filled up quick and every time someone left they had another body to fill the seat will def be back in the near future as it cuts 2 hours off of my drive time to AC

I went to DP on Saturday June 19. I got there at 1 pm, right before the horse races. I figured if people are watching the ponies run, the poker room might not be full. I was right. I got a seat to play 1/2 in 15 min. They definitely need to work out a few problems. Here are my observations:

1. Three different times I was almost cheated out of money by the dealers. Not deliberately of course, but simply because they were new dealers.

2. The dealers don't have enough $5 chips in their trays. If you need to rebuy you have to wait till they get someone to bring chips which takes longer than it should.

3. When players leave they were slow to fill the empty seats.

4. Dealers were slow in many cases.

These are all problems that can be worked out over time of course.

I was told they will have tables on the 3rd floor for tournaments starting in August. Some of the tournament details are now posted on their website.

This is mainly an issue with Delaware Gaming, where they want all cash marked off with the counterfeit pen. And yeah, there is one at every table, but with the amount of new dealers trying to get the hang of dealing in live games, I think it was decided best to not even sell chips out of the rack for cash right now.

I believe the kinks will be worked out. The poker cage definitely needs to be addressed.

The new dealers will get better with live reps. Don't expect the PA rooms to be much different when they open; I know pretty much all of them ended up and/or will end up having to hire and school tons of people.

[QUOTE=layemdown;19603999]WTF is Pineapple, crazy pineapple or badugi? I just hope they get interest in some of the other games and play some triple draw. QUOTE]

This help ? ....

Pineapple....is three card Hold Em, one card is folded pre-flop, but post betting.

Crazy Pineapple.....also 3 card Hold Em, but card is instead folded post flop.

Badugi......4 cards, triple draw game, the best hand is A 2 3 4 rainbow....pairs and same suit cancel one card, so A 2 3 3 would be referred to as a 3 card Badugi...its different is all I can say.

For when you'd like to try something just a little bit different

Trip report 6/19 5:30-1:00am

Roll into the poker room immediatly I like the setup..

I sit in a 1-2 game bottom line I win 240

From what I saw chip runners were good shift managers were great made a few good rulings

Podium people were good being it was first week and they aren't used to bravo system which I understand....

Here's what brought my experience down to a C+ when it was an A

In my opinion the dealers had very bad attitudes and just said the wrong thing at the wrong time.....here's some examples:

Player 1 throws a red out it hits the table and then says I need change(there was a 4 second lapse) dealer gives him change then he bets 6!?!?? I say whoa bet is 5 he says he asked fir change and then the dealer says to me Sir it's only $1....but I was like it's a rule what's next him doing it for $25 and he sId it again it's only $1.....pathetic

Next dealer guy wins a $100 pot the dealer is preaching about what hand he put the other player on and the guy who won says can I get my pot the dealer says with a wise ass attitude the pot isn't going anywhere the guy asks again and the dealer said sir the pot isn't going anywhere

I counted 4 times the dealers said nice hand to grind out a tip

And what's with all the pots that are all the way to the left hand part of the table did they ever hear game protection!?!?

Other then the dealers with a lack of respect of the game I give the room a thumbs up but the dealers turned me off

Cliff notes...

-liked the old style of the room
-good shift managers
-good chip runs
-very very rude dealers/some didn't say thank u for a tip