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Originally Posted by savage6970
Don't see how a game that is basically spread only for about 10-15 regular player can be deemed corrupt. The guys that do play "The Big Game" are there weekly mainly to partake in a my %$#@'s bigger than yours game. Maybe an occasional tourist happens to get in the game and gets squeezed out, but this would be rare as seats are locked up by the above mentioned 10-15 and for the most part are the only ones to participate.
And I would posit that the team is in that game not to measure dicks, but to keep skimming off the innocent regulars that are there to see who is bigger than who, all the while clueless as to what's really going on.
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Let these idiots cheat each other if that's the case. If you can't tell a game your in is rigged then you most likely deserve the fleecing.
Wow. I mean, really? Just. Wow. "Cheating is ok as long as it's sophisticated enough to be undetectable because then the people getting cheated deserve it." This type of attitude is exactly why Deadwood has the corruption problems that it does. Cheating is wrong, first and foremost, because it's wrong! What a morally bankrupt opinion to say that cheating is ok if you can do it well enough not to be detected. Ugly.
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Your friend should contact the South Dakota Gaming Commision and drop a dime on these guys if that is the honest truth. That would do more to resolve the situation than you posting maybes here on 2+2
Oh, he's gone round and round with Gaming. He thinks they're corrupt to the very top. That may or may not be the case, but at the very least, South Dakota Gaming is, if not corrupt, utterly incompetent when it comes to poker. There's not a poker expert on their staff. And this is not just an opinion shared by just me, or my friend. I've heard many poker dealers and managers discuss Gaming. The word I hear most often in conjunction with them: "Joke". This shouldn't be any more controversial of a statement than to say "It snows a lot in Deadwood". It's just a basic truth.
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Paid off to do what? The ludicrous example below?
I think the staff at CJ's and The Lodge is, or has been, paid off to:
Look the other way for cheats
Arrange for the team to get specific seats in MTTs to facilitate collusion
Get pre-arranged decks into games to setup civillians or to hit the BBJ.
I'll leave it to neutral readers to decide if I sound ludicrous or not. Just know that I am not the only location where smoke is coming from on this subject.
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I personally know damn near every dealer and poker room manager in town. None of them would risk their livelihood to participate in above scenario. For one thing All of these rooms have a manager, and a dealer crew. Floor Supervisors have nothing to do with operations in the poker room and to suggest they are inserting stacked decks into play is just stupid.
First off, a quick clean-up of terms here. In larger rooms, the "floor" and the "poker room manager" are usually two different positions. In Deadwood however, the floor is often the poker room manager. I tend to use the terms interchangeably when talking Deadwood. But, to be clear, I was never referring to random casino "floor managers".
Also, despite how I may come across, I think that Deadwood has lots of honest and upstanding poker dealers. I have seen them jump down peoples' throats before for play that's just starting to near the line of soft play. I certainly know many that would never say something shady like "Hey buddy, if you can't see the cheating, you deserve to be cheated". But to say that you know them all well enough that they'd never do anything to jeopardize their careers is, to me, a crazy mix of hubris and naivety. History is littered with poker players and staff, athletes, and business people all risking a
lot more than what Deadwood poker staff have to lose. Especially when you consider how long the cheating has been going on Deadwood, and how they have faced zero repercussions, how some staff members may think it's basically risk-free money.
Only part of any of this thread that has some semblance of truth is of a loosely organized team of players in the 200% games at the Lodge. Those are angle shooting azzwipes and if you play any amount of poker here you already know who they are.[/QUOTE]
As floored as I was earlier in your post, this part gets me more. I mean, good lord man,
you even know there's cheating going on at the Lodge (although somehow you "know" it's only loosely organized...how do you know that?) You also know who's on the team. And yet for some reason, you're defending them stealing money from honest players. I just don't get it, at all.
I do thank you very much for making this post though. As people from outside the area can read this now, and see that even someone defensive of Deadwood poker admits there's a team at work. It's not just one random dude on the Internet now.