I hear the rake might be upped again soon, and the structure for 2/3 changing. Anyone heard any details?

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Changed for "peak period" ie weekends. 2/3 was 100-300 buyin with 10% cap up to $12 no time. I not sure if 2/5 up changed..

I think this is the only shot the room has at not completely dying given just how bad its run.

That are all changes, (and as far as I got it, they apply only on weekends: Friday noon to Monday early morning)


2/3
Buy-in: 100$-300$ (instead of 50$-200$)
Rake: 10%, 12$ cap (instead of 5$/h time charge+10% capped at 8

1/2
Buy-in: 50$-150$ (instead of 40$-120$)
Rake: 10% capped at 15$, No change

Both games run 8 handed on weekends (instead of 9 handed)

Even though they got rid of the annoying time charge in 2/3, it is probably still a hidden rake increase for a lot of players.

Roughly about 50% of the pots on busy weekend tables should go over 80$ and reach the max cap of 120$. There are about 30 hands per hour.
So 15 times extra 4$ rake, makes 60$ extra rake for Crown. If they had time charge and cap at 8, they would only collect 40$ (8 times 5$ per 30 hands)
So overal they can collect 20$ more rake per hour with the new system
Correct me if I am wrong

I guess, TAG might pay a little less rake, LAG more, manics and callingstation more and overal Crown gets more rake per hour.

hmm interesting, might have a bit more motivation to go play now that i can buyin for 100bb at 2/3 haha

I'm a reg and I have to say it's an absolute joke the amount of money the casino is trying to extract off the players here at the crown. It's no wonder a lot of people are starting to resort to playing home games as evidenced by the dimishing number of people playing cash games in the casino. When people enquire why 5/10 never gets up anymore, well that's because everyone plays home games now to lessen the absurb amount of rake.

Not only is it rake which is terrible, but also the poor attitude that is shown by at least 50% of the supervisors to the customers. The majority have been there for a long time and it's clear they don't enjoy their job, so why don't they move on and have the crown get employees in who are good at customer service. I suspect it's the case that they don't have the abilities or life skills as many of the customers they disrespect on a daily basis to move to another occupation.

Just saying I'm looking forward to heading back to Vegas over the world series, where I can pay $4-$5 rake, a couple of dollars in tips, get free drinks and get comps every hour and enjoy the company of very friendly staff.

The additional rake is going to pi55 off a lot of players, although the absence of the time charge is having some less obvious impacts...

On the rake front, one of the dealers was explaining at the weekend that if he opened a new table with 8 players each buying in for the max $300 at $2/$3, by the end of his 8 hour shift, every dollar that started on the table should be in the drop box. On his calculations therefore, it is costing each player an average of $37.50 per hour, or 12.5 BBs per hour. That is ****ing hard to beat, and Crown management will be high-fiving one another.

With the removal of the time charge, the consequence was that the place was still very busy at 5am Sunday morning. The vast majority of us used to use the $5 time charge as a cue to leave and without that cue, there is always the prospect of "just one more hand / just one more orbit". Certainly the early hours were the busiest I have seen them in a long while. Once again, Crown management will be high-fiving each other.

The increase in the max buy-in from $200 to $300 meant that there was a lot more money on the tables over the weekend. I saw a few $4K and $5K stacks at the $2/$3 which is very unusual. With that possibility, the increase rake / buy-in won't be met with negative opinions by everyone.

Lastly, as Tas-Devil says above, I can't wait for June and Las Vegas. WSOP and VDSE are the main attraction, but a $4 drop + dealer tip will be the sweetener to us used to paying a $12 rake. Las Vegas poker sure beats the raping that Crown Casino dishes out.

Donk Dunc,
You seem like a very wise man have to agree the drop will be closer to $300 an hour now. Previously I know crown averaged roughly $250 per hour per table in rake drop.

Was away in Sydney this weekend and I have to agree though, I am looking forward to playing 2/3 with deeper stacks. Even with the increased rake, I would say the increase in the buyins should have a positive effect on my winrate. I would also assume the increase could possible reduce the amount of people that play 2/5 game over the weekends, as they might jump down to the 2/3 game.

This is a trial if they get enough complaints it won't last so speak to the supervisors. As for the way the place is run I really dOnt think its that bad, you just need to avoid the handful of ******* supervisors.
One thing I love is when you want to get a transfer- some sup's try to give you attitude and ask why (and then take half hour or forget), but if you go up and get another ticket they get pissed and tell you to get a transfer. I mean wtf

So $300 buy in at 2/3 is only weekends?

I think the reason bigger games don't get up anymore is precisely due to crown's mismanagement of the room and the attitudes they have towards the high stakes regs.

There's been a lot of annoying incidents at crown over the years including starting the list for a large game then having my ticket and chip I put down stolen before not getting a seat and getting dropped off the list then getting attitude from the floor when I brought it up. But the last straw which resulted in my stopping playing at crown was after a super ******ed incident playing 5/10 plo. The game is 5 handed at the time and some of the dealers clearly had not dealt the plo before and one dealer wasn't taking the $25 out of the $500+ pots. This resulted in $125 being dropped that hour. So as the time charge time approaches one of the floor guys comes over and says hold up before next time, and then says that next time charge will be $50 per hour based on what his boss was requiring. It gets better though... We then as players say that we want the boss to come talk to us and we don't pay time till then. The floor guy who runs the room at that time (the super annoying American floor guy) then comes out and says "we are upping it to $50/hour because we only took $125 commission last hour and we could just close this and run a 1/2 or a 2/3 and drop more" (I mean never mind one of the guys at the table has dropped maybe 100k playing bacarrat at crown and they are going to lose him forever over $25) So at this point one of the most regular of regular players points out that the previous dealer didn't drop the rake, instantly the floor guy accusing this regular of lying saying "you are lying to me here, our dealers always drop the rake in pots" at this point the dealer himself says that the rake wasn't dropped because he didn't know about it and wasn't told to. This particular floor doesn't want to hear any of it and still keeps calling the reg a liar, rest of the table then backs the guy up and eventually the floor stops having a go at that reg and says to take the $50/hour time, we then complain that it's not what is says on the plaque about the commission and also that it's super guaranteed that the rake will get there in the next hour. Eventually he lets up and leaves the drop amount at $25/hour and asks us if we have any concerns about how the room is run to take it up with him. My friend who's sitting behind me who has played maybe some of the most hours in that game in crown in the last few years then asks why they don't want to run the high stakes games anymore, and the floors response is to angrily say "Are you sitting in this game? I wasn't asking you", I mean wtf is this bull**** attitude from the floor. I'm pretty sure that every single player in that game now only plays homegames outside of tournament time and I don't think high stakes games will ever regularly run in crown ever again tbh. We have essentially been told that they would rather not have us there and that they would prefer smaller games. Crown just can't continue to treat it's regular players with such epic contempt and expect people to not leave to play in lower raked, better action, better atmosphere home games.

Would you play at crown after that?

If you managed to read all of that tl;dr crown rant, thankyou, I definitely feel better after venting about that

This is not surprising, some of the floor staff and even dealers there are straight out liars when it comes to saving their own ass from my experiences. I swear some of the floor staff must get there little daily power trip from talking to down players and making themselves feel important. That being said, all staff should not be viewed this way, as there are a few really good people there doing a great job also.
Glad to see the 1/2 upped to $150 BI, although still will never play it and the 2/3 up to $300 BI, this i will defenatley be back for after my self imposed 6 month Crown ban due to my last experience there (finger pointing at some lying staff dogs) as it is so so soft and very beatable even with the disgusting high rake.

This is exactly the kind of attitude which I detest. These days I just go up to the ticket booth and try to request the table I want to sit at. Rather than have to put up with the holier than attitude of the supervisors. If there's a good supervisor on duty I might ask. There was one time I asked for a transfer just before time charge. The sup replied they would have to fill up the spot on the other table before I could move, which ordinarily is fair enough however the list was full so the seat was going to be filled in a matter of seconds. So I couldn't move and he made me pay time on the table I was on. We played one hand, the came back over and said I can move over now, but I had to pay time again on the other table. He did it on purpose and was being an arsehole because he could. The whole table had a go at him, but he didn't care because he was an arsehole.

Just the other day I drove down to the crown, but had left my crown members card at home so I had to get a ticket from the machine. The normal practice if this happens is you go up to a supervisor and they validate the ticket for you.

On this particular ocassion I went up to the supervisor who knows too well that I play here all the time and he refused to validate my ticket. His response was the I needed a valid members card, I replied the whole reason I had a parking ticket is because I had left my card at home. Still wouldn't validate my ticket and said I would have to go up to the service desk to get a new card. He was being an arsehole because he could.

I waited until a good supervisor came onto the floor to validate my ticket and he laughed about it and said as a poker player I know which staff to go up and approach. Sadly his comments are spot on, there's good and bad staff, and the bad staff are completely beyond reproach.

Anyone have details on the home game that dealers play at? Pm

While we are ranting the fat bitch sup with black hair (man voice) has to be the most annoying imho.

Looks like the buy-in changes apply for the whole week, so you can buy-in with 300 on weekday as well.
The new-rake and 8 handed changes only apply from Friday noon to Monday morning.

Could easily be that 2-3 gets tougher through those rake changes because 2/5 regs could move down there on the weekends. Because 12$ cap and no time charge at a 300$ buy-in game looks way better than 10$ time charge plus 10$ cap at 500$ buy-in game.

There must be a reason why those rake changes are only used for weekends...either they are testing the water and try to compare where they can make even more rake.
Or (and I think thats more likely), they use the "12$ cap and no time charge" rake rip-off version, because pots get bigger on weekends as there is generally more action (more drunk people, less regs per table and so on)

Melbourne and Victoria needs sooooo badly competition in that industry, a few smaller cardcasinos with lower rake would force Crown to charge normal rake as well
Cant understand why the Victorian government allows to put freaking Pokkie machines to EVERWHERE but dont allow cardcasinos or any other legal places where real cash game can be played

So, which Crown regs out there are hitting Vegas in June/July for the various summer series? I'll be there 15th to 22nd June playing all the usual donkaments; a $1K and $1.5K WSOP, a couple of VDS and a drinkament at Binion's and GN.

If you want to hook up for a beer or to share bad beat stories from the tournies whilst there or to swap small percentages if you're playing any of the same events, let's hear from you. It's time for Melbourne to take some money out of Las Vegas!

Donk Dunc

LOL I know the exact one your referring to. She's been relegated back to dealing also. I'd love to hate-bang her.

Yes

FuN times at the 2/5aments. Donky sits down with 5k wad ready to lose it all. Standard turbo snapping flops AI with 1over 200bbs and table telling him oh what a cooler lol.
TT/k6o snap aipf $2200 pot. K good sir.
AA/9x ai on J8x flop $3k pot. Straight good sir. Must have felt it!
down a good 5k in ev in about 2 hours play.

Whys this thread so boring there's gotta be some live regs.. Someone post a graph or something..

Heading out to Vegas from the 11th June - 18th July. I know off about at least 10 other regs from the crown heading over.

Will be heading to Melbourne next weekend for a poker trip. Can anyone give me an update of the games at the Crown? Buy-in and rake etc? Also, if there are any decent home games going on around the CBD, let me know!

Lastly, anyone wanting to get a beer or something, feel free to hit me up.