Commerce should have a big buyin 5/10 game up top IMO , altho a lot of fish would play down, there the same guys short buying so whatever

I dont think the commerce 100-200 is going anywhere. Play that game every day and its still super healthy.

can anyone give some info about the 20/40PLO at commerce.
specifically how deep does it generally play and how often does it run?
and when it does go how long does it generally last.

and do they ever get a bigger PLO game going?
what about HA?

thanks.

I cannot comment on the 100-200 too much, cause it is admittedly higher than I would ever play. As far as I can tell, that game seems to go if there is at least 1 fish in it, and then breaks as soon as the fish leaves. That can be 2 hours or 2 days. That being said, in the last year when I have been in the casino there has NOT been a game more often that there has been one.

Except those top players are only playing live now, so they are putting in way more hours live, making the games tougher. I have played 3 times since Black Friday (I am not a pro poker player) and I have noticed IMO a higher concentration of good players playing all at once, and amateur players (aka fish) dropping down in limits, IMO to avoid them.

Time will tell I guess but it seems the green chip games have really taken over the tables that used to be 20-40 and 40-80 with a lot of players who used to play bigger games in them, and I do not think it can all be attributed to the economy.

Has the California Poker Open started yet? We're heading over to LA early next week and I know it'll be in full swing then, wondering what this means for the 1-2 and 2-5NL cash games. If anyone has been around during it in previous years I'd love to know what your opinions are. Do the games get significantly tougher with a lot more good regs playing since they're there for the tourney, or does the general excitement of the event draw in more fish than usual to balance it out? I've seen it go both ways before at different casinos during big tourneys, but I'm wondering what people think it'll be like since the LA scene is totally foreign to me. Willing to go to the Bike or something instead if I have to.

Cali trip!?

game goes about 4 times a week. only if certain players show up. game lasts as long as they are there (8hoursish). it used to play really deep (during the lapc) now all the pros shortstack it and the am's buy in short a lot now too. the am's will play huge if you want to. they were playing 100-100 plo everyday during the lapc but many pros got hurt really bad. a couple of the fish made 6 figs in that game. there is no 20-40he game most days cuase these ams that won big in plo always want to play it.

Hi All,

When I play live, I play in AC - mostly at the Borgata, but I used to play at the Taj. I'm coming to LA for work next week and I'm trying to decide where to play on Monday late afternoon/night. Unfortunately, I only have the one night to play, so I'm trying to make a good choice.

I typically play 2/5 NL with a $500 max buy-in, so I was leaning towards the 5/5 game at The Bike, but between the tournament going on next week and the overall experience of seeing Commerce, I'm starting to reconsider.

Can anyone give some insight into the experience playing either the 200 NL (2/5) or 400 (5/10) NL from the perspective of someone who was used to playing 100 BBs deep? I know it's a sensitive topic, so please note that I am not bitching about the structures at the Commerce, I'm just trying to decide where I should spend my one shot at LA poker on Monday and I'm honestly stuck.

Thanks in advance.

If you only have one night, I'd do the Commerce for the experience. I'm pretty sure there are more tables at the Commerce than all of Las Vegas....

The short buy ins turn the game into more of a pre flop game. Post flop play is generally not as important because of pre flop commitment.

Does the Commerce offer valet parking?

Ya 2 bucks

Thanks. One more question (that I can think of at the moment) - is it worth it to get a Players Card, if I'm just going for the day? I'll probably play the 5/10 $400 game so I can get the free food, but I may play $2/5, if I run bad.

Any other tips for a first time visitor to the Commerce?

when did they move 8/16 to top section?

and do 8/16 players get free food now too?

Might as well get a card, you will need it for food if you're below 5/10.

As for your other question about playing the $200 or $400 game- you'll just be playing shorter until you double or triple up, at which time you'll be playing for realz. However, there will always be more short stacks around you so you'd need to adjust for that as well. If you know how to effectively play a short stack you'll be just fine.

CA Poker Open begins on the afternoon of commercecasino.com. As for the games, you won't see much difference. The 1/2 in particular is always the baby-stakes, entry-level game there while the 3/5 has a slight bit more quality to it but really won't be effected by any tourneys (other than there being more of them). There will be tourney refugees donking off, but they don't look all that different from the non-refugees donking off on a daily basis.
There will be more players and action though as people bust out, so I'd go to Commerce over the Bike.

this is nuts moving such such a tiny game over there. hope 5/10 isn't next

moving the 500-1500 game to the hotel section would be horrible. that game would not be nearly as good as it is (and its not like its ultra juicy) if it were to get placed with the big boys. reason why its good in the first place is 400nl randos and longterm recreational players flip a coin each day to decide whether they are going to play 400 or 500-1500 or watever has the shorter wait.

Ya but whales would play

limit is so dead theyll try anyhting. whatever happened to the 9-18 game? when i started in l.a. that game was ridiculous.

I think small limit poker, 8-16 and lower, is doing ok. But if you view poker as a means to make money and not pure entertainment than limit poker is dead, because of the rake and paucity of decent sized games.

When I started playing poker 10 years ago there was less total limit games at Commerce than there was today (or pretty close) but the difference was the rake was lower and there was more decently soft middle sized games, 9-18 through 20-40, where there was actually a reasonable expectation to make $$.

cool ty.

Can't move the $500 game over to the hotel side for the simple reason that they don't have enough room. They would have to move the $400 game with it (lots of players do criss/cross between them), and that might be 15 tables being devoted to 5/10. It's fine where it is, but I do wish Commerce would find some way to partition or segment the room in a meaningful way so it isn't such a barn. The terrace they used to have in that spot for 9/18 worked well for that.

Aside from the space issues though, it's just a bad idea. It will not make the game better.

Im down 50k in the game after "crushing" 400plo online. So I guess even the "pros" are fish.lol. GL! I've given up (for now).

This. Moving the 8-16 LHE games to the top section has caused other games to spill into the no limit section, to the point where the top section looks reasonably packed on a Friday/Sat night.