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10-22-2014 , 08:25 PM
Wow. You got someone on the internets to admit they were wrong.
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10-23-2014 , 08:19 PM
I would love to see the $100 bet cap raised but don't see that happening anytime in the near future. I moved to CO after the change but my understanding was upping the $5 cap was an uphill battle. Sounded like a lot of the same "Don't turn our historic mountain towns into a 'Vegas style' casinos" lobby the anti 68 people are pushing. You guys who were here in the $5 days could probably speak better to it than me.

I think raising the $100 cap would benefit table games far & away more than poker overall. I'm constantly amazed at the amount of people I see playing several squares of $100/hand on BJ.

I'd like to think there'd be enough market to possibly run a regular 5/10NL game on the weekends if the cap was raised (say to $500) or eliminated (yeah right). Using the 1/2 example mentioned above, totally agree the $100 cap doesn't come into play too often as the <$100 stacks far outnumber the >$100 ones.

Kinda funny CO is liberal where guns & marijuana are concerned but draw a definite line in the sand on gaming.
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10-26-2014 , 03:25 PM
Is anyone else tired of the amendment 68 ads? In fact, is anyone sick and tired of all political ads altogether? I don't even vote. It seriously turns me off from wanting to vote for anyone when ALL the candidates resort to these constantly negative ads over and over and over. I only watch TV for a couple of my favorite shows, and sports, but I still get inundated by the ads. You can't escape them!

I know this post might sound like it belongs in the political forum section but I did want to touch on amendment 68 for a second. Does the coalition against amendment 68 seriously think the average voter is a complete moron. 'Don't Turn Racetracks into Casinos'. Yea, we know you are and what companies make up your coalition. Monarch casino to name just one. How anyone can believe what a coalition of casinos like this says about a piece of legislation that is going to hurt your business overall, you must be very gullible and naive. It's the same thing with anything the American Petroleum Institute says about the safety of fracking and becoming the #1 energy producer in the world. Of course they're going to advocate increased energy production and try to win people over on fracking, the American Petroleum Institute represents a bunch of oil and gas companies that make a collective 50 billion+ every year. Duh.

Rant over. Sorry for the long-winded spew.
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10-26-2014 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RidePolaris
Does the coalition against amendment 68 seriously think the average voter is a complete moron. 'Don't Turn Racetracks into Casinos'.
Yes, and they will probably win because of it.... sorry
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10-26-2014 , 10:53 PM
Sounds like ameristar is moving their poker room upstairs and adding 5 more tables. I assume they will still easily be able to fill up all the tables on fri/sat nights.

Last edited by muttface; 10-26-2014 at 11:15 PM.
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10-27-2014 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ActionFreak
There was a 30/60 O8 game at Bellagio that went every day for a couple of years around 2007-2009. Never seen any limit O8 action in BH. I would definitely play 30/60+.
Golden Gates used to sometimes run 4/8 or 5/10 limit O8.
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10-27-2014 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BruhKGB
I would love to see the $100 bet cap raised but don't see that happening anytime in the near future. I moved to CO after the change but my understanding was upping the $5 cap was an uphill battle. Sounded like a lot of the same "Don't turn our historic mountain towns into a 'Vegas style' casinos" lobby the anti 68 people are pushing. You guys who were here in the $5 days could probably speak better to it than me.

I think raising the $100 cap would benefit table games far & away more than poker overall. I'm constantly amazed at the amount of people I see playing several squares of $100/hand on BJ.

I'd like to think there'd be enough market to possibly run a regular 5/10NL game on the weekends if the cap was raised (say to $500) or eliminated (yeah right). Using the 1/2 example mentioned above, totally agree the $100 cap doesn't come into play too often as the <$100 stacks far outnumber the >$100 ones.

Kinda funny CO is liberal where guns & marijuana are concerned but draw a definite line in the sand on gaming.
I don't actually remember a lot of organized opposition to raising the limits. Keep in mind that the anti-68 ads are primarily funded by the existing casinos. Yes, every time somebody proposes an expansion of gambling that threatens to take business away from the existing casinos, those casinos fund a bunch of ads about how horrible gambling is.

However, because the whole gambling thing was instituted by amendments to the state constitution, and a lot of the restrictions, such as betting limits and the games they are allowed to offer are part of those amendments, the only way to change the rules is another amendment to the state constitution, and that requires a ballot issue. Ballot issues are not likely to pass without an ad campaign to promote them, and that costs a lot of money. I'm not sure the casinos will gain enough additional revenue from raising the limits beyond $100 to make that a profitable proposition. Doing so would effect primarily table games and poker, neither of which are anywhere near the money maker for the casinos that slots are.

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10-27-2014 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by muttface
Sounds like ameristar is moving their poker room upstairs and adding 5 more tables. I assume they will still easily be able to fill up all the tables on fri/sat nights.
If the waiting lists that build on Friday and Saturday nights are any indication, they will fill those additional tables, especially if they ever abandon their idiotic practice of waiting until the list gets over 20 to open another table (I can dream, can't I?).
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10-27-2014 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
As a purist, I'd say yes. I'll offer an example to the contrary. We have family in Albuquerque and go down the the balloon fiesta every couple-three years. Back in the day, they had 10/20 LHE and 20/40 LHE, each with half kills and often a couple tables of O/8. I believe they have unlimited stakes at the casino, but those were the limits they ran. The room had a bunch of other, smaller limit games. I don't think anyone ever really talked about the place, but for the week of the fiesta, I can't imagine a softer game to be reliably found in the US. Those games were always good, and they were there every year I went.

As NL became popular, the LHE games went away (or down to 4/8). I think I saw at least 2/5NL with a mandatory 25 OTB? Something like that -- the game seemed to have several stacks > 2500 maybe a couple much deeper than that. There were probably several NL games 2/5 or bigger. Room was now even more full of 1/2NL than ever it was of LHE games. During the good times, those NL games looked pretty soft with tons of big pots and multiway action.

I wasn't there every year, but I think those games lasted 3 or 4 years. They don't exist now. Last time I was down there, you had two 1/2NL games going full of nits playing < 100BB stacks. I think maybe a 4/8 O/8 with a half kill was kind of going. I can't promise you that the big NL games killed the room, but it is pretty easy to suspect that people got in over their heads and broke in games that were A) way too big for their bankroll and B) way to easy to just get crushed by better players.

All this tl;dr to say, be careful what you wish for. You get an uncapped 2/5 and maybe a 5/T NL on the weekends and maybe the once a month 5/T or 10/20 PLO game going, you may manage to have a few people just win all the money. I suspect Denver just can't support those games, because people just aren't rich enough to lose like that. Sure, I'd love to claim that unlimited gaming is better. Still, it might be the limits that have kept the games good for as long as they have been.

+1 Not in BH. I watched the 30/60 O/8 game at Venetian that he's talking about. Tried to get BigBadBabar to play it, instead of going to dinner with us.
Much as I like to play N/L, it's biggest weakness is that it is an absolutely brutal game for a fish. In a structured limit (or spread limit with a small spread) game, a completely clueless player will be a long term loser, but can still get lucky sometimes and walk out with a win. In N/L, such a player is likely to quickly lose all their money nearly every time. N/L is a game that forces a player to either learn something or quit.
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10-27-2014 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BetStack
Maybe the -NO- contingency is more vocal than -YES-.

<shrug>
I think the racetrack owners got a little too greedy. Had they provided some revenue to local governments to offset the impacts on the community, and had they structured it in a way that would allow some competition in Denver Metro, given the existing casino owners a way to get a piece of that pie, it might have had a chance. Instead, they tried to give themselves a monopoly on Denver Metro gambling at the expense of the mountain casinos, and offered Aurora and Arapahoe County a big f-you for their trouble and expense. They've got basically nobody, not even the schools that will supposedly benefit from 68 in their corner, and the Blackhawk casinos, which are fighting for their lives, are funding the opposition.
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10-27-2014 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
Looks like Isle got rid of Bravo. Theyre still running their 1-2 tables per night, but according to someone I talked to, they changed out the swipe machines at the tables and are tracking comps some other way.
I was there a few days ago (didn't play as there was just one table with a waiting list of 3) and I can confirm that Bravo is gone. They are probably tracking comps at the podium, like everybody use to do. That will likely lead to more people taking seats, walking away and playing one or two hands every half hour to keep from getting picked up.

A few months ago when one of the big tourneys was running at the Gates, they had taken the Bravo units out of all but 5 or 6 tables, and left the big gaping hole in front of the tray. They actually had enough players that they could have run more tables, but the tables they had taken the Bravo terminals out of were unusable. Dumb.
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10-27-2014 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RidePolaris
After having several friends run into rocks or have rocks fall on their car/truck, I've taken I-70 to exit 244, then the short stretch of 6 to 119. I've found 119 to be much less dangerous with falling rocks than US-6 from Golden to the 119/US-6 junction. The parkway is just too bad on gas for my Jeep so that's why I compromise and take 70 to 119.

From 285 and Kipling to Lodge it's almost always 45-50 min. Not a bad drive at all Of course, the drive home sucks after a losing night. We all know how that can be sometimes.
If you are coming from anywhere south of about Colfax, it is quicker to take 6th ave to I-70 to 119 or the parkway than to go up the canyon. From farther north, I-70 to CO 58 to the canyon is quicker. The canyon is a pretty hazardous drive, due both to rocks and, when snowy or icy, the risk of a head-on collision if a car going the opposite direction slides out of a curve into the oncoming lane. In winter conditions, the Parkway is not so good, due to blowing snow, and the fact that Central City does not use mag chloride on it.
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10-29-2014 , 03:31 AM
I went up to BH last weekend.

-Golden Gates: solidly packed as always. No long wait, like usual.
-Ameristar: 20+ on the list like every other weekend. Fuhgedaboutit, this place is for the cool people. I only play here in the middle of the night during the week.
-The Isle: LOL 1 table of $2/$10, and that's it. What a freaking joke that place has become (for poker).
-Lady Luck: About 4-5 tables, only $2/$10 (lame)
-The Lodge: Someday, I'm going to walk in there, and that little spot where the tables are will shrink by 1/2 again.

Is there anywhere else that plays $2/$100 that I missed?
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10-30-2014 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BetStack
Yes, and they will probably win because of it.... sorry
I should note, I don't care if the amendment passes. I would never travel to that part of Denver metro to play, and it's not any closer in time to travel there than Blackhawk. I live in W. Lakewood near 285/470. Used to live in Golden, and will be moving back there soon.

It's the overall political/corporate machine that bothers me in this country. EVERYONE does what is in their best interest. Yes, even volunteers at the local Salvation Army or food bank are doing so for their own self interest. People that volunteer feel personally rewarded with happiness and a sense of humanitarianism. These ARE forms of self interest.

The whole gamut of excuses why amendment 68 is bad for 'Colorado' and 'Colorado residents', said by a group of gambling establishments whom have all the stake in the world on the amendment, has no legitimacy whatsoever. How does the average person not understand that basic concept? How can any person see any political ad and take anything it might say into consideration in deciding who or what to vote for?

Are people that much like 'sheep'?
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10-31-2014 , 01:48 AM
vote 'yes' means less of a drive and larger tournament pools with even more fish...

not that hard folks
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10-31-2014 , 08:33 PM
Anyone seeing any polling on early/absentee voting re: Amendment 68? I know it got at least two votes out of my household.
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11-02-2014 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Gimlet_Pkrz
Anyone seeing any polling on early/absentee voting re: Amendment 68? I know it got at least two votes out of my household.
Polling as reported in Denver Post is No by a 2:1 margin. No big surprise, people are not generally in favor of increased access to gambling, 2+2ers notwithstanding.

Here's a link:http://www.denverpost.com/election20...=hot-topic-bar
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11-03-2014 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by quantph
Polling as reported in Denver Post is No by a 2:1 margin. No big surprise, people are not generally in favor of increased access to gambling, 2+2ers notwithstanding.

Here's a link:http://www.denverpost.com/election20...=hot-topic-bar
Yeah, but for some reason weed is ok.
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11-03-2014 , 08:03 PM
people are voting no because they dont like the idea of one company benefiting from a law that changes our constitution. If it was open to not just existing racetracks, most people would be for it because Colorado is full of liberty and freedom loving people.
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11-03-2014 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bagzzz
people are voting no because they dont like the idea of one company benefiting from a law that changes our constitution. If it was open to not just existing racetracks, most people would be for it because Colorado is full of liberty and freedom loving people.
I agree. Wait for a better deal. This one is bogus.
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11-03-2014 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bagzzz
people are voting no because they dont like the idea of one company benefiting from a law that changes our constitution. If it was open to not just existing racetracks, most people would be for it because Colorado is full of liberty and freedom loving people.
I agree that this is part of the problem with this proposed amendment, but I really think you're giving people far too much credit here. I think that most people either disapprove of, or are indifferent to, gambling. And nobody seems to be falling for the "it's all about the children" line.

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Yeah, but for some reason weed is ok.
Pot is not looked down upon since many people have smoked at some point in their life, with no long-term negatives. Isn't addictive like crack or meth or heroin, your typical Coloradan (i.e., white men and women) smokes (or vaps or eats) it. Violent crime associated with harder drug sales is essentially non-existent at MJ dispensaries. And not much domestic violence is associated with pot, I don't read stories about some guy that had a tough day at work, stopped at the dispensary, then went home and beat up his wife. More like "stopped at the dispensary, then Taco Bell, went home, and fell asleep".
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11-04-2014 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by quantph
And not much domestic violence is associated with pot, I don't read stories about some guy that had a tough day at work, stopped at the dispensary, then went home and beat up his wife.
I guess you missed this: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-who-...wifes-killing/
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11-04-2014 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Latah Pines
[sarcasm font]Yup happens 4-5 times a day.[/sarcasm font]*



* I have lobbied for comic sans as the official [sarcasm font], to no avail.
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11-04-2014 , 09:19 PM
No politarding in B&M; take it over to Politics.
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11-05-2014 , 01:09 AM
It got smoked:

68 - Horse Racing
81% reporting
No
71.8%
(1,156,002)
Yes
28.1%
(452,892)
Updated 0 minutes ago
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