Who is going to vote down +110M for the kids where gaming/wagering is already going on?

The amendment text mentions poker. They'll just size it to demand like everything else.

I bet poker would be pretty big there.


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Maybe we'll get a PLO game.

Are there any Texas Holdem games at restaurants or bars in boulder Colorado?

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What has been going on in the hawk lately? When I left Ameristar at 11pm tonight (Friday) there were 7 2-100 tables and 70!!!! people on the list! I never remember there being this many people coming up, even a couple years ago when all three bad beats were above 750k.

Anybody have any insight as to why the sudden increase in popularity?

Last I saw, the primary and secondary BBJ @ Ameristar where both right around 450k. No poker tournaments going right now that I'm aware of, so guessing that probably has a bit to do with it.

Awesome, can't wait to vote yes. Black Hawk is as popular as it ever will be given its geographical location imo. Nothing like some snow to shut the entire city down. Being near Denver will open up a market Black Hawk isn't capable of reaching.

A lot of good poker circuits coming to town in the next couple months. HPT, MSPT, Colorado Championship.

I'm wanting to get my gambol on this weekend! And I'm seeking a little help from the local experts.

I'd like to come up on Saturday afternoon, stay the night, and head back Sunday. I'd ideally like to stay at the Ameristar, but at $250 for Sat night, that seems a little pricey. So,


A) What's the best affordable place to stay, within walking distance to Ameristar?

B) Does Ameristar, or any other casinos, comp rooms for some low level pit degen'ing (green chips, not blacks, for a couple hours).

C) Other good options other than driving home?

Assuming you don't have an established player history @ Ameristar, it'll probably be tough to get a room on a Saturday night even playing green chip.

Based on my experience with an established player history, I'd say your best bet on trying to get a comped room would be putting in several hours of green pit action and asking about a room late at night. They've randomly offered me rooms on Fri/Sat nights but it's generally been after 3-4am.

That said, if you're putting in green-chip action, what's $250 for a room? Not trying to troll you, and I get the principle of it, just saying.

Thanks for the tip. I ended up going early and coming back later that day. I see your point about a room only being 10 green chips, but going with limited cash, I wanted to keep as much degen in the casino as possible. The hour drive is easier than paying for a room. Maybe one day I'll take a shot at that 30/60 and stay the night.

I'd like to get an honest, best guess from all of you about the odds (percentage) of getting a regular 8-16, 10-20, or 15-30 LHE game somewhere in Blackhawk within the next couple years. A half kill would be nice too.

My guess is:

40%

As a followup, what steps could be taken to make it more likely? Advertise? Promotions? Rake-back?

Man do I wish this would happen. The 30-60 game is so big it really needs a feeder game like 10-20 or 15-30. Really bad to not have anything other than 4-8. Not sure what the chances are but if we all ask about it at ameristar, or if we set up a time to get a game going that would be stellar imo.

8/16 half kill or 15/30 with 20/40 kill would be ideal IMO.

Here's the thing, you need:
1) a host. Someone with a wide social circle and can generate interest and create a following. (See RP and the Omaha 5-100 game)
2) a room to work with you. Making sure a table/dealer is available at X time for the game to start, promotions, correct chips for desired game($2 chips for 8/16 for instance), etc.
3) build and build. It's slow going and will probably start with 1 or 2 days a week, and as the game starts running all day, start expanding until it's an everyday game.

Ideally you'd have it the same place you have the 30/60 but I'm not sure how feasible that is when they can be full spead and from my experience less than accommodating.

A regular game? Like 10%. Rooms have tried it with promotions and it doesn't stick. I think the only place it has a chance to be a regular game is at Ameristar and they are only going to make an attempt to run it if the demand is there, which it doesn't seem to be.

why do all the rooms push a spread limit game so much over a limit game in blackhawk? what makes limit so popular at a place like the commerce?

No idea why it's popular at Commerce, but if you can't go all in like on teevee then "that's just ******ed" is what you will hear here. There's 2-10 spread limit at Lady Luck and some 2-5 in Central City. Lady Luck fills up on weekend nights. It plays like 5-10.

Every night I pray to the poker gods to turn Ameristar into the new Mecca of limit holdem.

Okay, it's not going to happen. But here's the rub:

Every time I play 4/8, I hear at least 2 people say, "I would play 10/20 if it was offered". I'm also forced to play the 2-10 spread game at Lady Luck (4/8 at Ameristar only spreads a couple times a week). Yet, I also hear the " I would play 10/20 or 15/30 if it was offered". That sounds like demand to me. I don't know why the game doesn't seem to get going.

I'm a structured limit holdem lover. Is there really no place for me in this game?

Saying "all in" may be cool.

But I think saying, "I'm a professional poker player. I play 80/160 limit holdem for a living", would be cooler.

Not only did video kill the radio star, it killed structured limit poker.

Your problem is the poker gods are female. They only hear what they want to hear. Ever pray "no clubs" only to see clubs on the turn and river? All they heard is "clubs."

Two, three or four players is not much demand. It would take a room with empty tables (*cough* Isle) and idle dealers (nowhere) to spread an "orphan" game.

There are structured limit holdem games elsewhere. See below.

Good luck finding that game in Colorado, with max bet at $100. It's spread at Bay 101, Foxwoods, Hustler and elsewhere. If you're a pro 80/160 player, go where the game is.

It also brought the tourist/rec player. It also killed other variants of poker apart from holdem.

Wouldn't it be fun if there was a televised stud tournament with $100k added to first place sponsored by AXE Stud for Men?

Does the 30-60 need a feeder game? There were five tables going at one point last night, with a long arse waiting list...

What feeder games survive $7 rake? 10/20 probably wouldn't. 20/40 might. Since the majority of people you want to play with won't play short, you'd need a big pool to start the new game. Wish it would happen, but the casino money grab and the Big Game player's demand for huge JP makes it hard for the feeder games to exist.

First, how can I contact you personally? I would like to discuss coaching or just poker in general.

As for the feeder game issue. I do not have the roll to play 30/60. I would relish a feeder game to help me get enough to at least take a shot at the big game. There are numerous others who feel the same.

There is another issue that I don't hear a lot about. I do not believe that everyone currently playing 30/60 is actually rolled for it. Variance, or lack of skill, is going to catch up with them at some point. What happens then? Are they going to lose what little rolls they have and not come back? Do you think they will be able to put away their egos and sit at a 4/8 game? A 15/30 game would cushion the ego blow while they rebuild a back roll for the big game.

It just seems to make sense from an "over all well being of the poker playing clientele" to have a feeder game. I think the Management of Ameristar is being a bit short-sighted. They should want to foster new big game players through a feeder game. And they should want to give those who are playing above their means, a way to move down without feeling to much shame. Again, something bigger than 4/8 but smaller than 30/60 would be just that.

If you guys really want a game then you all need to schedule a day to show up and put your names on the interest list. And just plan to play 1-2 or 2-5 if it doesn't run. The 30/60 is plenty healthy enough and management doesn't really need to try to cultivate a smaller game. Every time I see a 10/20 list their is only 1-2 people on it.

Ameristar typically deletes interest lists for 10/20 LHE immediately which is why it's only 1-2 deep. The few times that the list had 6-10 on it, all 17 tables were already occupied so it was then deleted as well. With that said, I agree the 30/60 doesn't need a feeder and 10/20 will never run. The room doesn't care either way.

I personally would like to see a 15/30 O8 game but that also may never happen with the 5/100 O8 being the game that runs