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Thanks Wizard

i tried the "colo raising limits" thread, but it died out around 2011. do you guys have nlhe or plo out there now?

2 situations from golden gates's tournaments: 1. I raise(not all in), folds to a guy that is asking what is my stack size. I say nothing, my stack is visible. Dealer looks at my stack and tells the guy exact stack count. Is it normal? Can I stop dealer from doing that? 2. I am ALL IN, it folds to the last guy to act, he shows his hand to the player next to him, and still thinks. After a minute he finally folds. Shouldn't his hand be dead, right after he showed it to the other player? Dealer saw this and just worned him not to show it next time.
Want to see what would wizard or Tony say in those cases. TY

PLO runs Fri night at The Isle. They're also trying to introduce a Saturday game (as of this weekend).

With $100 max bet law, only spread-limit HE. Every poker room in Black Hawk spreads this game... mostly 1-2, with a few 1-1, 1-3 (Isle) and 2-5 games (Ameristar).

so, this is basically cap 100? you can only bet up to 100 per hand? or is it up to 100 preflop and every street?

2 seems fine. Dealing should give him a warning. As long as the player he showed didn't say anything, I don't think the hand should be declared insta dead.

$100 max BET.

I most you can bet at any time is $100. If somebody bets $20 the most you can raise it to a total of $120.

heh very weird. i find it hilarious (in a sad way) that you can smoke weed out there now, but you cant play nl poker.

#1 once he asks for a count the dealer is going to give it to him. Had he not asked then its a different story. We prefer our dealers to facilitate a quick moving game when questions like this come up.

#2 Killing hands is a last resort. This is a common situation to be handled with a warning from the dealer. If a floor is called over we typically give a 1 hand penalty for exposing their hand to a player with no action, and a 1 round penalty for exposing to a player with action pending. It will not be a dead hand though.

Rooms handle this kind of stuff with house rules and policies. If you have any feedback we would be happy to hear it. I hope you enjoy playing at Gates regardless!

The standard rule is that you are entitled to a clear view of your opponents stack, not a count of it.

Edit to add: no idea if rule 10 had anything to say about this.

Yes TDA rule 21 states a reasonable estimation of an opponents stack. We take a more proactive approach and allow dealers to assist with this and facilitate estimating stacks, when asked, for the sake of game speed and clarity.

I think this slows the game. Under the traditional rule a player will look and see that their opponent has betweem 1000 and 1100 and act. Now with counting the game can stop while we learn the number is 1073.

Of course with a max bet, this may play out differently.

That is an interesting point. Maybe long term you could condition players to not ask the question to begin with. But I think the most common spot is someone that wants to know an estimate before they act, and rather than waiting on them to count on their fingers, dealers are usually quick and accurate. I will mull it over though, you make good points.

Regarding cash games, it is for the most part a non-issue due to the max raise.

I saw 6/12 "dealer's choice" listed on Bravo at the Isle last night. Anyone in Black Hawk last night see this game going?

It was correct. It originally started as a 6/12 Omaha hi/Lo game. Then the game got about six handed and all the players wanted to play dealers choice. It was dealers choice between hold 'em, Omaha, pineapple, and crazy pineapple.

Nice... was curious what the rotation was. Figured the O8 game transformed with it being 6/12.

Definite OPTAH violation imo.

Some of the old schoolers don't even want Dealer announcing action like bet or raise amounts. On this score, I'm all for Dealer moving things along.

But if it's not "over the betting line", not the Dealer or anyone else has the right to count my stack to help my opponent decide how to play against me. Also, TDA #21 doesn't say that dealers should give stack sizes.
This says to me that players should keep clean countable stacks so that opponents can get a "reasonable estimation" by eyeballing it, not by asking Dealer or anyone else. Unless I myself am cheating by hiding big chips or keeping dirty stacks, Dealer shouldn't comment at all about my stack (again, imo).

The dealer is not a player(OPTAH), but I understand your point. I don't disagree with you, this has just been a better way to handle it from what i have seen in Black Hawk.

And not to belabor the point, but
maybe you could condition players to not ask by not allowing the question to be quantitavly answered.

Just sayin.

Is the Saturday Omaha/dealers choice game happening consistently at the isle, or was it more of a one off type thing? The Omaha game hasn't run the past two Fridays unfortunately

It's frustrating when we get a full table worth of people wanting to start an Omaha game at the isle, but the floor won't start it because he "doesn't want to break the big game" (the 1/3 game). 3 of us were sitting in the 1/3, hardly a "broken game". You'd think they'd try to promote a regular non-holdem game a little more to differentiate themselves from the other rooms.

Why would you like to play at that game? You will never get enough "fish" for that game to make it profitable. It needs to be at least 20/40 to make it profitable. This is why I only play 2/5 and 30/60 because other games are just waist of time( of course you can make 10$/hr playing 1/2 but is it worth it?

I've found the PLO game to be quite lucrative the few times it's run. Not sure if you're referring to a fixed limit variant, but there was quite a bit of action the few times I've played pot limit at the isle.