I'm not trying to argue that the cap makes 0 impact. I'm saying that it's silly to avoid it because it's less beatable than a true 1/2 NL game. There's still plenty of money to be made at poker in this state.

I think the biggest impact is on deep stacked situations where skill edge can be gigantic, and mistakes more costly. It doesn't happen as frequently, but it does have some impact on win rates. Less skilled players make mistakes for stacks, where better players don't.

I definitely agree with the point you were trying to make. Lord knows I don't avoid spread limit games for this reason. I would just quibble a bit with your statement that "the cap really shouldn't change your win rate." All I meant to say was that, for my style of play at least, I think there's a marked difference between the expected win rates in each game.

Agreed. A typical example is when somebody with aces won't fold no matter what the board and the betting action looks like. In a NL game you're getting their stack but in spread limit you're only getting it in $100 increments at most. Also, if the board gets way too scary in a spread limit game they can eventually fold without having put much into the pot, but in a NL game they would've called off their entire stack before that ever happened.

I agree with what everyone said but I think people missed out in my post that it affects my game especially for 2-5. That's all I didn't mean I was gonna avoid just for spread I am only in Denver for 1 nigt so I just decided to go find some nice places to eat and some sifts to see. Sorry if came off negatively.

Didn't come off negatively to me at all. I think everybody would agree that the spread limit affects the 2-5 game WAY more than it affects 1-2 or 1-1 (or now even 1-3).

+1 mirrion to Kaartman's point(s).

I think people underestimate the effect of huge overbets/stackoffs and their impact on winrates.

Much easier to get >200bb into the middle AIPF w/ AA vs TT (example) in a NL game than in Spread. Although these spots are rare, they contribute greatly to your winrate, especially in smaller games like 1-2, where the skill level is pretty low. Hope that makes sense as I am not the best at articulating my thoughts on poker strategy.

Absolutely. Had a similar hand playing 2/5 Wednesday night at A*. I had AA on an AKK22 board with about $200 in the middle. Obviously, I was only able to extract another $200 on the river against my opponent who had a King (He led $100, I raised $100, he flatted). While in a NL game, I would have certainly been able to win more than that.

Unfortunately for us, it's all we've got for now. If and when Colorado loses the limit (or if it goes up to a high number like $500/$1000), there's almost no doubt that the $100 spread limit games will go away forever.

Agreed. I hope that day eventually comes...

Overall, I guess we should be ecstatic considering only a few short years ago, the highest cash game possible was the good old $1-$5 Spread Limit (w/ $5 rake too)...LOL!

I disagree as strongly as a person can disagree.

Have records kept from NL vs Spread since 2009 and win-rate fluctuates significantly based on geography (cap no cap). Play very little in this state anymore b/c of it. Conversely, I love playing cash outside of the state, despite considering myself a tourney player first, and a cash guy 2nd.

Agree with Kaartman's post whole-heartedly re: win rate.

Feel much safer sitting at 2/5 and or 5/10 in Vegas with 1-5 buyins in front of me, than I do sitting in BH with a rack of red on a 1/2 table. It's a delicious feeling to be able to make people put more than $100 (or $200) in the middle to see a turn card.

Does anyone know if the structure for saturday's $365 circuit trny is decent? Played the Heartland a couple events ago and day 2 was a total joke when comparing stack sizes to blinds.

The structure is posted online, and appears to be pretty darn good for a $365 buyin. There are A LOT of extra levels that you normally wouldn't see anywhere else but the WSOP. The blind levels increase as the tournament progresses as well. I don't think you could find much better at this price.

I'll be playing the $365 on Saturday so maybe see ya there. Likely 11am flight

Going up early for the 365$ tmrw. Will post TR in MttC Live thread.

WSOPc uses standardized structures for all of their events. See website for details.

What did the total prize pool end up being for heartland

$1,006,500 I believe. 4 runners over $1,000,000 for a total of 671 runners.

Who is this Teresa Hemingway character. Never seen her before.. and she's from Aurora. Hmm

I heard she was being ghosted by a well known Canadian pro.

Thx

Anyone got info on the "Mini Buy-In" MTTs going on at the Golden Gates thru March 25th. Horrible marketing department lists the promotion on their website but with no further details?!?!

Looks like there is a $100 BI for 25,000 in chips, but no schedule or structure which scares me. Pretty big FAIL considering the WSOP Circuit is in town and no big cash games run...They could have started some buzz regarding these MTTs but nope.

The Gates is usually impressive when it comes to stuff like this...

Running deep stacks at noon -- $80 during the week and $100 Fri Sat Sun I believe (normally $160). Normal deep stack structure 35,000 starting chips 30 min blinds

Not sure about the other times but they said they're running the noon deep stacks at a discounted rate to make up for the WSOP shenanigans at the lodge

does black hawk ever run any sort of mixed game?

Thanks for the info.

So noon everyday: $80 Mon-Thur & $100 Fri-Sun...Is it really 35k stacks and 30 minute blinds for all these? Is there an additional $10 dealer add-on to get those chip stacks? The site says up to 25k starting stack, so I wasn't sure. Either way, it looks like a great value, especially if they are using their standard Fri-Sun Noon Deepstack structure.

Would love feedback for anyone that checks one of these out...I'll be up for the noon next Friday, Saturday & Sunday if it really is $100 for 25k (or 35k) and 30 minute levels. Thanks again Mr. OpenFold.

max of 25K chips, I don't know where's he coming up with 35K.

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That's what they said on the phone, and that's the starting stack for all previous deep stacks I've played in. These are def all 25k tho

25k for the noon $100 deepstacks, 10k for the 3PM $60, 15k for 7PM $80. 30 min rounds on deepstack, 20 on others. 10AM normal turbo structure.