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Originally Posted by mrnuxi
Please forgive me for this longish rant and for the steam still coming out of my ears ... Last night my girlfriend had a free room at the Ameristar so I made a rare Monday night foray up to Blackhawk. Probably due to the Broncos being on MNF, there was no 2-5 game going -- the only time I have ever been there when there was none. There was, however, a list and I was on it. Around 9pm they got the 2-5 game going ... took a little while to get a full table. Now on to my story:
Anyone who knows me knows that I am a straight-up honorable guy, kinda soft spoken, usually friendly, who doesn't complain about bad beats, etc. I get dealt Q-10s on the button. There are 3 or 4 limpers in front of me and I happily limp along for $5. Then the BB raises to $25. Two of the limpers call as do I. Flop comes QJJ rainbow (none of my suit). Checks around to me. I bet $65. I am listening to music and the BB starts counting out chips. When it's obvious that he is not calling, but rather reraising me -- since he was counting out $100 in front of him, I take out one of my earphones and ask the dealer "did he raise $100?" The next thing I know the BB is going all-in for a grand total of $275. Whoa!! The dealer then says it's $10 to me to call. What? I adamantly insist I never raised, and that I only *asked* if BB had raised. The BB (an Asian whose first language was obviously not English) apparently thought I had said "raise 100" instead of the question "did he raise 100?" The player on my left backed me up agreeing that she distinctly heard me ASK if the BB had raised 100. Didn't matter. The dealer said I raised and that was it. Of course I would have folded to a $100 raise (putting the BB on either a J or AA/KK -- turned out he had KJ) ... The floor was then called. By now I was really angry since they were doubting my word and the word of the player on my left. The floor came by and was obviously feeling awkward not having witnessed the proceedings. He backed the dealer. If I had not been so upset I should have just picked up my chips -- not paying the extra $200 -- and left. They might have banned me, but I was planning on never playing there again anyway. Instead I foolishly put the $210 in the pot. A few other players started rooting for me to spike a Q and counterfeit the BB's J. Of course that didn't happen. I picked up my remaining chips and stormed off, swearing to myself that I would never play at the Ameristar again.
What do you think I should have done? What would you have done? It occurred to me after I left that maybe the camera also picks up audio (but I doubt that). If so, they would have been able to clearly hear me ASK if the BB had raised to $100. I'm over it now. Too bad, 'cause I sure love to play against someone who raises 5xbb from the BB with KJo :=)
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1. You've acknowledged the headphones can be a problem, so enough said
2. I'm a quiet guy as well and I'm always careful when I ask questions to ask them loudly. So if I said: "Did he raise $100?" I would be darn sure I voiced the "Did he" part loudly. Or even better, I'll just say "What's the bet?" so nothing can be misconstrued.
3. I think the dealer made a mistake. In every casino, I've played at - if a dealer mishears or doesn't hear a verbal declaration but a player not in the hand confirms what the player in question is reporting he/she said, then the dealer accepts the word of the player not in the hand and action resumes on you having put $65 and you can fold, call or raise your opponent's total bet of $165. Play isn't stopped, and the floor is rarely called over. I've rarely seen that not work smoothly. I would be interested to know if there is an Ameristar house rule that clarifies what should be done if there is a discrepancy between a player and dealer on a verbal declaration.
4. I think the floor is in a tough spot. Was the dealer being adamant that you didn't ask a question? If so, I would expect the floor to rule as he/she did. If the dealer isn't sure and there is another player at the table stating they heard you ask it as a question, seems your verbal shouldn't be ruled a raise. It's just very unlikely that you and the player not in the hand are in cahoots trying to run an angle.
5. Another poster mentioned waiting for Gaming. I can't imagine Gaming gets involved in hand rulings such as this but I could be wrong. Anyone have solid info or stories confirming/denying?