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Old 07-24-2012, 11:09 AM   #601
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I doubt this tournament is really worth it, IMO.

300 entries = $300,000 prize pool.

Top 30 would get paid out right then?

$2k-ish for 21st-30th
$3k-ish for 11th-20th
10th: $4.5k
9th: $6k
8th: $9k
7th: $12k
6th: $15k
5th: $18k
4th: $21k
3rd: $27k
2nd: $54k
1st: $81k

Obviously some big payouts, but in order to double your money, you'd have to play for 13hrs on the first day and possibly another 8-10 hours on the second day.

Obviously if you think you can get to the final table it might be worth it, but it would suck if they had to have it go into a 3rd day.

Too many chips, too slow of level ups. Obviously geared towards weaker tournament players, and I am sure the good ones will kill it.
That's like saying the WSOP main event is the worst tournament of the year because you play 4 days until the money bubble.

More play favors players that have an edge(longer to utilize that edge and amass chips with less risk due to raising blinds).
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:36 AM   #602
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Too many chips, too slow of level ups. Obviously geared towards weaker tournament players, and I am sure the good ones will kill it.
What.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:33 PM   #603
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Yeah, a big LOL at that whole post. Slower structures are not geared towards weaker players at all. That's like saying the WSOP main event is geared towards weaker players.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:12 PM   #604
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3pm qualifier today - 2 tables but they had enough re-entrants to award three seats. Get down to the bubble. Chips are like;

Seat 10 - 250k
Seat 9 (me) -90k
Seat 8 - 75k
Seat 7 - 60k

I'm the BB, SB makes it 14k at 2k/4k. I pick up JJ an go arrin. SB absolutely snaps me off harder then I've been snapped before. I show JJ, he rolls over AQss. Board bricks out, I'll be back Saturday!

When he snapped though, I about threw up.
I am sorry but you blew it. Your stack was 15x the total of the blinds. I think snap calling with AQ was stupid as well. Somebody else raised, I would either call or fold. No need to go over the top there, IMO.

Had you called and missed, you would have had about $76k, which is still a little over 12x the total of the blinds.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:18 PM   #605
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Yeah, a big LOL at that whole post. Slower structures are not geared towards weaker players at all. That's like saying the WSOP main event is geared towards weaker players.
Also, if I am playing in the WSOP, I am going on a vacation to Vegas anyhow, where I will have a hotel room and things like that.

If I have to commute an hour each way to Blackhawk and back for 2 days, it doesn't seem worth it to me, especially since if I cashed, I would be towards the bubble unless I got lucky.

I would be better than a lot of the field, but don't know if I would be Top 20-30 or so.

I would be much better off playing $2/$5 live. I might bust out, but would have a better shot at making money. Obvously I wouldn't make $80k or whatever, but could probably make a $1k or so.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:21 PM   #606
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Yeah, a big LOL at that whole post. Slower structures are not geared towards weaker players at all. That's like saying the WSOP main event is geared towards weaker players.
Weaker (but luckier) players typically win it now though. Probably better players than me, but weaker than a lot of the field.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:07 PM   #607
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I am sorry but you blew it. Your stack was 15x the total of the blinds. I think snap calling with AQ was stupid as well. Somebody else raised, I would either call or fold. No need to go over the top there, IMO.

Had you called and missed, you would have had about $76k, which is still a little over 12x the total of the blinds.
Lol at this. I actually did consider folding since the guy had been somewhat tight, but calling is just horrible, AINEC. Also, define "missing the flop", do you honestly think I should call a raise for 1/5 effective stacks to set mine with JJ?
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:11 PM   #608
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Weaker (but luckier) players typically win it now though. Probably better players than me, but weaker than a lot of the field.
So much fail.

The point of a slower structure is to take out the luck. In order for a bad player to win, they would need to get lucky for maybe 24+ hours of play. Certainly possible, but it's much more unlikely than a player getting lucky for a 12 hour tournament.

And lol @ "better players than me, but weaker than most of the field." Did you just classify yourself as weaker than most of the field? Because that would explain why you think the slower structure is bad.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:48 PM   #609
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Lol at this. I actually did consider folding since the guy had been somewhat tight, but calling is just horrible, AINEC. Also, define "missing the flop", do you honestly think I should call a raise for 1/5 effective stacks to set mine with JJ?
Lol all you want. You were 2nd in terms of stack size and went busto while the 3 remaining guys will now play in an event you probably can't afford.

Personally, I don't make a stand at that point in the tournament. The other guys are more likely to make a more desperate move. When you are on the bubble, the key is to survive, unless you need to win the whole thing.

I just think you could have waited a bit to make an all-in move.

I don't get why you can't call the 14k, and fold it if an A, K, or Q hit. You still have more than the guy in last and are 12x the blinds which still gives you some maneuvering room.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:51 PM   #610
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So much fail.

The point of a slower structure is to take out the luck. In order for a bad player to win, they would need to get lucky for maybe 24+ hours of play. Certainly possible, but it's much more unlikely than a player getting lucky for a 12 hour tournament.

And lol @ "better players than me, but weaker than most of the field." Did you just classify yourself as weaker than most of the field? Because that would explain why you think the slower structure is bad.
Well, I don't believe that Heinz was the best player in the WSOP last year. He might be better than me, but I don't buy he was the best, just the most fortunate.

Bad players make hold em tournaments all-in pre-flop fests. That's not a winning way in the long run, but you can do some serious damage in a given tournament playing that way.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:58 PM   #611
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Lol all you want. You were 2nd in terms of stack size and went busto while the 3 remaining guys will now play in an event you probably can't afford.

Personally, I don't make a stand at that point in the tournament. The other guys are more likely to make a more desperate move. When you are on the bubble, the key is to survive, unless you need to win the whole thing.

I just think you could have waited a bit to make an all-in move.

I don't get why you can't call the 14k, and fold it if an A, K, or Q hit. You still have more than the guy in last and are 12x the blinds which still gives you some maneuvering room.
Is this guy serious? And not just about this post but all of his post . Since when is a 2-day 1k event with pretty decent structure and 60 min levels geared to weaker players? Bizarro land
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:18 PM   #612
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Re: Colorado Poker (Black Hawk, Central City, Cripple Creek)

I think I mis-represented myself. I did say that I thought the good players would clean up. Re-read it.

What I am saying is by having so many chips and slower levels, it will attract more (bad) players to sign up.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:21 PM   #613
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Lol all you want. You were 2nd in terms of stack size and went busto while the 3 remaining guys will now play in an event you probably can't afford.

Personally, I don't make a stand at that point in the tournament. The other guys are more likely to make a more desperate move. When you are on the bubble, the key is to survive, unless you need to win the whole thing.

I just think you could have waited a bit to make an all-in move.

I don't get why you can't call the 14k, and fold it if an A, K, or Q hit. You still have more than the guy in last and are 12x the blinds which still gives you some maneuvering room.
I was 2nd, but certainly not out of harms way. The two other small stack weren't all that small compared to me. And yes, I can afford it, don't be a dick and assume anything about my financial situation. My plan was to try and qualify on Sunday and Monday this week, and if I fail, pay the $1100.

Also, what do you think I meant by "the board bricks out" when I have JJ vs AQ? What else do you think I meant by "Be back Saturday!"? I won the hand, and qualified.

If you don't really see what's wrong with flatting, then please, put down $1,100 and come play.

Calling off 1/6 of my stack, planning to fold vs any overcard is awful. JJ is only and overpair after the flop 43% of the time. May as well just fold if that's your plan. Which I can actually see merit in with it being the bubble of a satellite. However, I think there is no question that flat calling is the worst option by far.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:24 PM   #614
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Well, I don't believe that Heinz was the best player in the WSOP last year. He might be better than me, but I don't buy he was the best, just the most fortunate.

Bad players make hold em tournaments all-in pre-flop fests. That's not a winning way in the long run, but you can do some serious damage in a given tournament playing that way.
At this point, I hope you're leveling. Either that, or again, come play the $1100. You think bad players make tournaments all-in fests??

THAT'S WHY THE SLOW STRUCTURE IS BETTER.

In a fast structure, eventually you will have to fall into the all-in fest when the average stack is 12bbs. Or as you put it, "7x the total of the blinds".
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:28 PM   #615
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I think I mis-represented myself. I did say that I thought the good players would clean up. Re-read it.

What I am saying is by having so many chips and slower levels, it will attract more (bad) players to sign up.
Oh no. God forbid that. Don't want any bad players in this tournament....

Edit - Sorry if I'm cluttering the thread. Using the mobile app to post, where (I don't think) multi-quoting is possible. Else I'd really to all posts at once.
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:07 AM   #616
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I was 2nd, but certainly not out of harms way. The two other small stack weren't all that small compared to me. And yes, I can afford it, don't be a dick and assume anything about my financial situation. My plan was to try and qualify on Sunday and Monday this week, and if I fail, pay the $1100.

Also, what do you think I meant by "the board bricks out" when I have JJ vs AQ? What else do you think I meant by "Be back Saturday!"? I won the hand, and qualified.

If you don't really see what's wrong with flatting, then please, put down $1,100 and come play.

Calling off 1/6 of my stack, planning to fold vs any overcard is awful. JJ is only and overpair after the flop 43% of the time. May as well just fold if that's your plan. Which I can actually see merit in with it being the bubble of a satellite. However, I think there is no question that flat calling is the worst option by far.
I misread your post, I apologize.
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Old 07-25-2012, 01:09 AM   #617
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Re: Colorado Poker (Black Hawk, Central City, Cripple Creek)

I didn't post on here to make any enemies. Just stated a couple of opinions, those of which were based on missing a key point in the post. Those of ya'll that play, have fun this weekend.

If any of you think I'm an idiot, then hopefully you root for me to sit down at one of your tables sometime in the future.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:05 AM   #618
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The 5-100 O/8 game dried up about a year ago. The reason it is difficult to start is because of the small player pool that can sustain playing that game. That game is played with a $4 max rake because that's what the players insist on. Why would A* spread a game that takes longer to play (per hand) and for less rake than other Hold em games? Each casino has their own piece of the market and players know what games to expect when they go to that particular Poker Room.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:50 PM   #619
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The 5-100 O/8 game dried up about a year ago. The reason it is difficult to start is because of the small player pool that can sustain playing that game. That game is played with a $4 max rake because that's what the players insist on. Why would A* spread a game that takes longer to play (per hand) and for less rake than other Hold em games? Each casino has their own piece of the market and players know what games to expect when they go to that particular Poker Room.
I've only been to GG. Can somebody provide a break down of what people expect from each room. It would be helpful.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:37 PM   #620
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I've only been to GG. Can somebody provide a break down of what people expect from each room. It would be helpful.
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:59 AM   #621
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Re: Colorado Poker (Black Hawk, Central City, Cripple Creek)

Strategy talk in Colorado is painful. Yes, I am a resident.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:25 AM   #622
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With only 19 or 20 tables (not sure if the 20th table will be approved by gaming in time) we will be selling Re-Entry seats for the entire day on Saturday which is 12 levels. We are expecting around 300 total entries. There is no add-on for the Main Event so the total buy-in is $1100 with 60 minute levels and 50k in chips. Depending on how many people are left on sunday night after Level 24 we will decide if we will finish that night or come back and finish on Monday. It should be a great turnout.
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:23 AM   #623
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With only 19 or 20 tables (not sure if the 20th table will be approved by gaming in time) we will be selling Re-Entry seats for the entire day on Saturday which is 12 levels. We are expecting around 300 total entries. There is no add-on for the Main Event so the total buy-in is $1100 with 60 minute levels and 50k in chips. Depending on how many people are left on sunday night after Level 24 we will decide if we will finish that night or come back and finish on Monday. It should be a great turnout.
When does registration open for the Saturday main event?
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:35 PM   #624
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When does registration open for the Saturday main event?
Somebody I talked to Sunday said "about 10AM". I was gonna aim to be there around 11am.

Does anybody know the break schedule? 20 minutes every two hours? Is there an extended dinner break later in the day?

Edit - Also, does anybody know if qualifiers are guaranteed a seat if they get there by 12? Or is there risk of being an alternate? The ticket they gave me after qualifying has a table/seat # but I'm like 80% sure it was the table/seat I won the qualifier on.
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Sign ups will start at 9am. All qualifiers don't have to be there early because there seats are guaranteed so come whenever. 15 minute break every 2 hours, 30 minute dinner break. Re-Entries the entire day Saturday which we will be playing 12 levels and ending around 130am. Coming back Sunday at 2 for day 2.
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