One thing- rake is sky high. $4 of the first $20 is what dealer told me. Not sure of the max.

how many runners today for the 4th tourney?

4+2 max for a total of $6.

Yeah, they bumped up the rake to the new structure a couple months ago to try to get the bad beat jackpot higher faster. Like you notice they take $4 (two for rake and two for promotion) at $20. Then another rake dollar at $30 and a final rake dollar at $40. Now the rake maxes out at six dollars when you hit a $40 pot.

Rake:
$2 - $10 pot
$4 - $20 pot
$5 - $30 pot
$6 - $40 pot

Old rake:

$2 - $10 pot
$3 - $20 pot
$4 - $30 pot
$5 - $40 pot
$6 - $50 pot

A lot of players are not too happy the rake change. It just goes to boost their promotion dollars which pay for free water and the bad beat jackpot which only gets distributed to a lucky few.

Right now only $4 is going to the house for rake and $2 for promotion dollars. I think it's just a matter of time before they find out that lost 20% in house rake hurts and they adjust to 5+2.

I think Choctaw is very poorly managed. I know very little about the poker industry so take what I have to say with a grain of salt if you will. However, The room is so nice, very accommodating, as in good dealers, good staff, good waitresses what have you. they have all the amenities that many clamor for. they have a good area, you can give all the bs that you want about the Winstar being so close stealing clientele, but the truth is that Choctaw is mis-managed.

You have the Oklahoma base that is too far from winstar or other casinos and some would rather play choctaw as ooped to other Oklahoma casinos. you also have some of the Texas crowd. However, what do you do you do that makes you player friendly? how do you get players in the card room. I have posed a similar question before ITT about the effieciency of this cardroom and got little info. Why is this Cardroom so orrly populated, especially that they have to resort to a $6 max rake?

That Oklahoma population base is tiny. The entire state only has 3.8 million people and 1/3rd of those are in the Oklahoma City metropolitan area. By contrast, DFW has a population base of 6.6 million people (most of whom are closer to Winstar than Choctaw). At least 9 out of 10 Winstar customers are from Texas

I'm not sure how Choctaw's rake is any worse than Winstar's which is 5+1. I also don't see any specifics about why you think their card room is worse managed than other rooms in the area (btw, I'm not disagreeing; you simply didn't post a compelling argument).

I know that I have been to both cardrooms. I guess the question that I am looking for answers to is, why does Choctaw have 4-5 tables running on a given night, when Winstar has 14-15 tables running on that same night?

I am not trying to make an argument either way. Things are the way they are for a reason. I am just looking for that reason. As I much prefer the cardroom that Choctaw offers.

It's about location.

It's a combination of things. You have the location issue where it is generally a longer drive to the bulk of DFW. Compounding that issue is that action drives action. Because there is more tables and action at Winstar those who straddle the border on location will drift to Winstar rather than Choctaw because you have more games, etc. It's sort of a chicken and egg problem. And for the longest time I think the poker room at Choctaw years ago was an add-on thought rather than trying to expand the business. So they never built the base to begin with.

Lately, as I've mentioned above I think the way they are treating the players is driving more players to Winstar. Without going into all of it (read my posts above), when you mis-manage must move tables, take away comps people have earned and generally increase the rake it does not draw players to a room--it has the opposite effect. It's too bad because Choctaw has a great room, great dealers, etc. When they brought Ken in to manage the room there was a sharp turn around in the room but now they lost it all and it seems like they went backwards.

Yes location location location. Also, Winstar is simply the bigger overall casino (with bigger concert/events), meaning more casual players come in. Plus, action breeds action. Players know that the action is at Winstar so that is where they go.

That being said, if you play 1/2, especially on the weekend then Choctaw should suffice.

The new rake structure at Choctaw is worse for $1/2 games because more money comes out quicker in smaller pots.

The way they handled the 2/5 must move tables during the WSOP circuit event was really bad. I kept getting moved from table to table to table to table to table and never got comfortable at any one table and it was frankly a horrible experience.

I moved four times once in 45 minutes during the WSOP.

Was there last night and here is the new old official must move rules:

When there is a full table of 2/5 it becomes the main table. Any new 2/5 table starting up will be the must move. You move based upon the length of time you come to the must move table (longest moves first). If a third 2/5 table starts it now becomes the must move table and the previous must move table now becomes a second main table. There is no moving from the second 2/5 table once a third table becomes active. The third 2/5 table, now the only must move, will feed into both main tables. However, if the third table breaks for some reason or feeds all of it's players into both main tables and you are left with only two 2/5 tables, the second 2/5 now turns back into a must move table and feeds the original 2/5 game.

This caused lots of grief last night because there was a guy at the second 2/5 table who was getting ready to move to the main table and then a third table started up. He bitched and moaned about how he wanted to move but now couldn't because he was now on the second main table. Well, you know the story, shortly after he finally accepted that he was staying put the third 2/5 table broke and he was told he was now at a must move table and was next up to move. Totally pissed him off going from a must move to a main game back to a must move.

This is exactly how it should be done with one extra caveat: Once there is more than 1 main game, players should be able to request a transfer from main game 1 to main game 2.

Choctaw has changed the way they do must moves again, for the better. Now if there is a main table and a must move table and another table of 2/5 starts the two original tables now become main tables. However, if the third table which started breaks the second table, the old must move, does not revert back to a must move table--it stays a main table. So when someone drops out of the original main table it is filled from someone one the list rather than making people move from the second main or old must move table.

I was there when the great cracker scandal of 2012 happened at the 2/5 table.

You think this would be a bigger thread.

Lol. Too good of a night

Haha... I'd love to hear more about this.

Too long of such a great story to type out

Anyone know how old you need to be to play here?

18

Thank you

Anyone know what games regularly spread on weekends? Also, anyone know what cash games spread during last year's 1M gtd? Thinking about making my first trip out there for the 1M guarantee just wanted some info. What is the min/max buy in for 2/5 and 5/10? Thx,
dlpnyc21

I'm wondering how many 1/2 tables run on a typical weeknight. Also on the weekends. Thanks in advance for any response.