How's the player base here? Is it primarily regs or are their lots of randoms/visitors too? TIA.

Mostly the Garden City regs (and some Bay 101 regs) with the minority being visitors, I think.

The 10-25 game is a clear win for the M8trix. Unlike the 75-150/100-200 limit games it's a scheduled game which starts at 1PM filling 1-3 tables that would otherwise remain empty until the evening. The game goes until the wee hours or even until the next morning. The drop is noticeably higher than other games: $8/hand (IMO ridiculous although unlike the other games no flop, no drop). Also the presence of that game will draw more 5-5-10 players from Bay 101 who will have the option to either play 5-5-10 or take a shot at 10-25.

Agree the 10-25 is a win for the reasons stated.

The 100-200 Limit game is another matter. Also, the decision to drop the 8/16 game wasn't smart. Very few of those players visit anymore. They could have 2 games running, and as Angus mentioned, the lower limit games are much more sustainable than the fly by night higher limit games.

I loved sitting in the 8/16 game, and the regs seemed to enjoy it. But then again, who cares about those people.

It's silly to bitch about the Matrix concerning what tables they do or do not put up for poker since it's obvious that poker is an afterthought to the management. The Matrix is NOT really a poker room, unlike what Garden City was.

What GC was, before the current owners bought the place five years ago.

Their plan was quite clear, maximize the number of California games, to the detriment of the Poker games. Simply put, California games drop much more than Poker games.

They started off approximately 20-20 split on games and the new G.M. stated his goal was to have a 26-14 California/Poker split. He got it.

Now they have 49 tables, and still only 14 poker tables.

Money talks.

(Until the California games slow down. Which they do. It runs in cycles.)

Their Facebook page said they are adding a second Casino War table, by popular demand.

They have added 1 new poker table as well, there is now a 3rd over in the "high limit" poker section. Unless they took another one down they are up to 15 tables now and according to one of the managers will definitely be opening more as the cal game traffic slows. Also morning tournaments starting very soon according to same manager.

man, they play that gagnam style song so much i'm sorely tempted to organize a flash mob.....

Can someone who knows post the min/max buy ins for the various NL games at M8trix? This post http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=618 seems to indicate that, for 1/2/3, they are 50-300 (17BB, really??). But, I can't seem to find numbers for the other stakes. I tried the M8trix web site, but it beyond unhelpful (doesn't load in chrome, plays annoying music*, has none of the information I want).

How are the 1/2/3 and 2/3/5 games? Are you often stuck at a table with five 15BB stacks playing shove-or-fold preflop?


*This isn't a criticism of the composer. Any time a site plays music that I didn't ask it to play, that music is annoying.

Max buy in for 2/3/5 is $500, I believe the min is $100 but not 100% sure. 5/5/10 is uncapped, again not sure about min.

I usually play 2/3/5, you'll find a mix of shortstacks and deep stacks, though I have found that more players like to buy in for the maximum and play deep compared to Garden City. It's not uncommon to see a 2/3/5 table now where everyone is deep.

5/5/10 is actually $500min and $3k max. 10-25 is uncapped.

GC regs washing up on the shores of bay 101

It's hilarious. People were worried that CM would open and draw a bunch of the poker action away from Bay101 or at the minimum split the poker playing pool in two.

But instead, CM is just erroding its poker player base even more. Now there is no geography "cost" associated in going from GC to Bay101, so there is no barrier for people to go to Bay101 because they can't get/find their game at CM.

I think the only thing CM has been successful in doing is attracting big NL games and an occasional short-handed 100/200 LHE game.

^This.

CM/GC management have no idea how to actually run a poker room. They've been ruining their reputation for running good, steady poker games for a while now (since around 2010-ish?)...

Remember when they ran 2 tables 2-4 stud everyday? And that game was filled with regs that played religiously.
How about when they chased off all the players out of those 40-80lhe games and got rid of their prop players?

I dont think anybody over there has an understanding of how a successful poker room should be run (and im not speaking of success in monetary terms).

Its sad how they just mistreated the player pool in all the games that were filled with die hard regs who were basically forced to find their games elsewhere. but what are ya gonna do, huh?

I think the 1/2 goes 4-5 days a week, and goes pretty late. In any case, I think they're almost certainly getting value from it from the dark side action alone.

I'm not going to argue that they necessarily know what they're doing or that they planned that, but it seems to have worked out okay. They seem to have about a full table of 20/40 and 9/18 consistently as well, so I don't think they've really lost any ground from GC days.

Uh, they weren't that great at it before then either. There was just a lot more money floating around in the poker economy.

This is basically just revisionist history. The prop-run 40 games weren't sustainable. After prop salaries they were basically dropping nothing (and maybe less), and those games were sustained solely by the terrible props. There was no chasing away, the games just dried up once GC stopped subsidizing the winners via prop pay.

Ugh, the waitlists at Bay were bad enough as it is. Even worse would be if the GC collusion teams came over also.

Are they going to add a hotel at some point?

That was the plan. Haven't heard anything recently.

They will be spending most of their efforts to open the upper floors of the current building first.

Don't think a hotel will do that much for the casino.

Doubt it, sounded good from a PR standpoint.

M8trix suing city for delay damages

A. They actually want the money?
B. They want leverage to get the upper floors open?

Nice link AT, you find all the good stuff.

LOL M8trixaments.

what's the deal with the sngs? how often do they run/how long do they generally take/what time are they offered? the website seems to indicate these are nightly things during weekdays?

Sngs are Sunday to Thursday after 11pm, usually gets 2 tables a night. They usually last about 2 hours. I like them and actually wouldn't mind if they did more but because there are so few tables they can't.

To all San Jose residents:

The elections are coming, Vote YES on measure E!

From the link below:

Measure E: Allows each of San Jose's two card rooms to increase the number of gaming tables from 49 to 79 by 2014, and would allow without additional voter approval slot machines or other gambling devices if they become legal in California.

San Jose Card Room facts:

San Jose allows two card rooms, currently operating as Bay 101 Casino and Casino M8trix. They do a combined $100 million a year in business and generate $15 million a year in taxes.

San Jose voters in June 2010 approved Measure K increasing the card room tax from 13 to 15 percent and allowing an increase of nine tables each, from 40 to 49.

http://sitewright.com/blog/2012/10/0...measure-facts/