I am afraid I must disagree. I am an East Coast guy who plays mostly in Vegas. The majority of my play is at the Venetian where the 2-5 is a $1,000 max. When I play in AC I feel like I am playing short stacked. Believe me when I tell you, the games are VERY good at the VVV. Not complaining about the buy in for the Borgata as it is what it is, but the 6 max tables may provide more action than you give them credt for.

In a perfect world, if the 6 max games don't go, possibly another option for Stan to try would be setting up deep stack 2-5 tables. I always compare the Borgata favorably to the Venetian, but they are amazed at the $500 max buy in.

oh, so PLO hilo two way = PLO hilo (PLO8)?
makes sense
why not just say PLO8?
sounds ******ed saying PLO hilo two way

game report please

Hi all,

Long time reader of this great forum and player at Borgata. I haven't played in over 6 months due to family issues but I am making my comeback this Friday. I normally play nl and stud mostly. Hope to see some 2+2 posters at the tables or in the room that night. Also I'd like to give many thanks to Stan for all he does on this forum and running the best poker room on the east coast.
Kam

Sounds more like they were playing a mix of PLO/PLO8

IMO, the problem with PC LHE is that it's a 'niche' game, and attracts somewhat knowledgeable players (like us 2+2 'ers), or tight rocks.
Big picture...no one wants to play LHE between 3/6 & 10/20.
Ashame, because the 6/12 game used to be really good. I'm not that surprised that the PC game isn't successful, because the kind of players who made that game (and 6/12) so good are all playing 1/2 NL nowadays.

As far as the limit structure goes, maybe replacing 3/6 with 4/8 would be a change for the better. If the 3/6 regs complain, then spread the 4/8
like Harrah's with mini-blinds ($1 SB/$2 BB). Bringing back 6/12 (or 8/16), probably wouldn't change things much.

If Razz and 2-7 TD are approved, it will be very interesting to see how (and what limits) they'll be spread.

You may be on to something, with LHE being dead between 3-6 & 10-20... due to the insane popularity of 1-2NL. It just seems like such a HUGE gap, however. There should be something that can be done to get people to step up a bit from 3-6, without making the jump all the way to 10-20.

You can't have 3-6 & 4-8 competing against each other, though. And, I don't think mini-blinds would do much to help (in 4-8). It's doubtful that 3-6 could be killed off and replaced with 4-8. That seems to be an East Coast culture thing. Whereas, in Vegas, 4-8 is the culture. But, Vegas doesn't spread 10-20, so the gap between 4-8 & 15-30 is the 8-16 game. That game seems to be somewhat stable out there.

Without an attempt at revamping all the limit structures, replacing 10-20 with 15-30, 20-40 with 30-60, etc., I don't see many choices to fill voids. The 5-10 game has gone by the wayside and PC can't stand on its own two feet.

Maybe we should look at 6-12. In it's old form, I am not sure it would fly. Played with $2 chips (albeit a sizable investment for the Borg), it could spark some interest, since it then becomes a 2-chip/3-chip blind, stimulating action. You could add the 1/2 kill option, too.

6-12 would be just about in the middle of 3-6 & 10-20 and allow the conventional structures to remain, yet still give the house a unique advantage over other rooms.

Another option to think about is, 5-10 with pink chips and a half or full kill. Full being preferred. Not sure about that, but it could be easily implemented without any additional costs. That might be worth a shot.

On another note... I suspect that the Razz & TD games might enjoy some short-lived, limited success at lower limits and they would also be appealing to onliners, as part of a multi-game rotation. I feel, however, that they would, as individual games, or part of a rotation, be much more popular at higher limits (30 and up). The novelty would quickly wear off for low-limit players, especially the noobs, who would most certainly fail in a big way in these games. Good to see Stan taking the lead in AC on getting them approved and in play, though!!!

I'm just trying to brainstorm some options here. I could be quite happy sitting 10-20, or even 20-40 (although I would MUCH prefer 15-30 over 20-40 because of the blind structure). Stan's working very hard to get games spread that make players happy. Of course this makes great business sense for the Borg, but it is really cool to have some input with the decision maker. And, if we can get happy players donating money... well, that makes good business sense for us, too

Stan, what are your thoughts on filling the "LHE gap"?

$2 chips are not legal in Atlantic City.

That figures... well, if you can petition for Razz and TD, you could probably also petition for $2 chips, too. However, I guess the costs of the process, combined with the cost of the actual chips, would not make it worthwhile.

how can u have half kill or full kill in lhe?

Well, first you have to get the CCC to approve it, then you decide on a pot-size that triggers the kill for the next hand.

Playing for an hour or so 6-7 handed, new player stumbles across the game and tells us theres a list. Wonderful. Turns out there was at least 4 names on the list. Game filled in 2 minutes. Thanks floor. Good work.

I only play 3/6 now due to the huge gap in limits, I am not rolled for 10/20.

I am always willing to play in the 4/8 - 6/12 range, but I just came at the thought of a 5/10 "pink chip" game, kill or no kill. Maybe (with Stan's blessing) we can attempt to get a 5/10 "pink chip" game going one Saturday when the regular "pink chip" game can not get started.

I am not there that often (once a month), but you could count me in anytime for a 5/10 game. Heck, I will even make a special trip if we could guarantee a 5/10 game with pink chips.

lets start a list here

How about tweet that out, I follow Borgata on Twitter already.
thanks,
phastmike

I'd play a 5-10 game with pink chips, half or full kill. If it's on the board, I'll sign up for it!

This is correct. It was an awesome game. Several of the players were cheerily playing hands with no low potential for raises in the PLO8 rotations. Then we'd switch back to high only and people would overvalue hands with wheel cards!

Copies of the approval for poker for Charles Town, WV (for the DC metro crowd) and Philadelphia. Their competition just got tougher. When you are competing for customers who can now stay home and play casino poker less than an hour away, you step up and improve your services.

Funny you ask that, I left Borg on Sat. around 4PM or so. The PC mixed game never got off, just LHE.

I then went over to Harrah's on Sat. for the 4/8 game, IMO it's a step up from a typical LLHE game.
I'd say about 40-50% of the hands were raised to $6 pre-flop.
Limping in for $2 with small pairs, suited connecters, etc. is where you can do well. Lots of people seeing flops with A's or K's with anything.

I am in the same boat as you, stuck between 3/6 & 10/20 LHE.
I like PC, but by the time the game got going, it was mostly shorhanded with no list. I think it's just not gonna catch on. Maybe it's just too close in stakes to 10/20 ?

I think you might be onto something, a 5/10 PC game, $2.50 SB/$5 BB.
I'd know I'd probably play. Maybe it wouldn't be as intimidating to the average 3/6 player like a 6/12 or 7.50/15 would be.

IMO, I think this would probably only run during weekends/holidays. During the week, there is sometimes a struggle to get more then 1 3/6 game going. During the weekend, there are usually 3-4 games. One would think we could easily get a few players from those games plus a few other players to get a full table going.

If the interest is there, always worth a shot, especially if the regular pink chip game can not get past an interest list or is always playing short-handed.

$3-$5 NL 6-Max
5% to $4
Minimum Buy-in $200
Maximum Buy-in $1,000
BBJP is taken when the pot reaches $100
Earns $2 in comps per hour


came

I'm coming down Wed - Sat this week. Torn between wanting to run good in my tourneys and wanting to check this game out.
Nice problem to have I suppose.

See you degenerates (not you Stan) in 48 hours!

Game report please? And at 3 PM?

Time for a live game report Monday 12:50pm


(36) Live games


(3) 2-4 LHE
(3) 3-6 LHE
(2) 10-20 LHE
(2) 20-40 LHE


(1) 10-20 O.E.


(13) 1-2 NL
(1) 1-3 (6-Max)
(8) 2-5 NL
(3) 5-10 NL


(185) 11am $100 + $20 NL Tournament


BBJP $30,806


Stan

is the 10-20 omaha hi/lo or is it stud also. Sorry for the really noob question but never knew the answer.