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1. A short raise doesn't re-open the action. For the action to be re-opened the raise must be at least 1/2 more than the bet/raise amount. Example: Player A bets $60, player B goes all-in for $90 and player C calls the $90. Since the raise was $30 (50% more than the original bet), when the action gets back to player A he/she has the option to put in another raise. If player B instead had raised all-in for $89 then the action would not be re-opened and player A could only call the $29 more or fold.

2. A good dealer should be on top of this. If they see the money on the table then the dealer should inform the player that cash doesn't play and inquire if the player would like to buy chips. If the player declines then the cash doesn't play if that is the house rule.

3. "Highest hole card" or "highest suit" is ******ed because both players are playing the exact same hand. The extra money should be awarded to the player in the worst position, ie. the person closest to the left of the dealer button.

Wrong. At the Borg, in a NL game an AI raise must be a full raise to re-open the action. Extra chip always goes to high card, determined by suits, usually. Position is irrelevant.

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04-22-2009 , 06:57 AM

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sixfiftySNGchk

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I will be TRing about my recent trip soon but during the trip, at my table was a Titanium card holder. **** you not. What he was doing at 1/2NL, who knows... My personal second spotting of a Titanium card holder.

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04-22-2009 , 07:04 AM

#303

BlaneH

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I've always seen extra chips determined by suit the one or two times that scenario came up.

Cash doesn't play at the B and when topping up I've always had to merely toss the cash in front of my chips at the end of the hand to get chips. Never seen anyone sit with cash behind their stack but I'd assume the dealer would inquire.

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04-22-2009 , 10:03 AM

#304

StackerBA

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Originally Posted by BlaneH

Cash plays in limit games and I assume 10/25 NL + still allows cash on the table to be played ($100's).

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04-22-2009 , 10:28 AM

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miajag

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Originally Posted by sixfiftySNGchk

I assume Titanium is some ultra-baller level above black? Maybe he spent the last year gambling away his life savings and is playing poker with the last dregs.

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04-22-2009 , 11:10 AM

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sixfiftySNGchk

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Originally Posted by miajag

I assume Titanium is some ultra-baller level above black?

Yes sir. I am guessing he was early 30s though, so was probably on his way to degeneracy imo.

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04-22-2009 , 01:17 PM

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SPOB15

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Originally Posted by miajag

I assume Titanium is some ultra-baller level above black? Maybe he spent the last year gambling away his life savings and is playing poker with the last dregs.

I just lost my black status this year...wife plays four card I think it takes $10k in comps to reach black. Titanium is $100k. Lots of perks including trips to vegas on special chartered jets, and other things.

I met a really good guy once in his 50s, playing four card for $500 a spot. He hits a straight flush for $40k just on the aces up...

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04-22-2009 , 01:19 PM

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cl0r0x70

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Originally Posted by SPOB15

Black card is $1k in comps.

It gets you free parking, occasional line cuts at some of the restaurants, and alerts the rest of the table that you are a degenerate.

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04-22-2009 , 01:48 PM

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TAB

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Originally Posted by p566

TAB, I and 4 of my buddies were up there playing Friday through Sunday and had a great time. We've been up several times before but I was pleased to see the room was so busy despite the economy.

I have three questions about Borgata room policy (cash games). None were huge issues but just somewhat unexpected things my friends noticed.

In NLHE, under what conditions can an AI re-raise be raised by the previous raiser? In other words, player A bets $20. Player B goes AI for $25 total ($5 more, less than half the original raise). Player C calls $30. Can player A re-raise?
Again in NLHE, when a player who already has chips on the table places more cash (a hundred) on the table what's the dealer's responsibility if any? Is the dealer supposed to offer to provide chips or just let the cash sit on the table even though it doesn't play?
Is there any official policy on where the extra chips go on a chopped pot? This is most applicable in LHE and where I saw it most. Obviously it doesn't really matter but every dealer I saw do it went with a different rule. "Left of the dealer", "Highest hole card", "Highest suit", etc. I found that amusing.

Question 1 The answer is no

Question 2 Cash may not be on the table. The dealer should ask the player to take the cash off the table or buy chips (between hands of course)

Question 3 Highest card in hand, if both players have same high card, then suit will determine the winner.

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04-22-2009 , 02:38 PM

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BrianBigNFun

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Hey TAB

I'll be at the 11am $100+20 tourney tomorrow. Is turnout usually about the same as what you posted for Monday? I guess 1st place pays about $3500?

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04-22-2009 , 02:46 PM

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cl0r0x70

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Hey TAB, as long as we have your ear. . . there's been a few threads recently in this forum discussing players who call or announce "all in", and then refusing to pay the other player when they lose.

What's the Borgata's policy and applicable AC law in this scenario?

Link to the latest thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...e-else-466386/

Thanks for joining the discussion, by the way!!!

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04-22-2009 , 04:05 PM

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Ruler of the East

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Time for a live game update as of 4pm

(2) 2-4 LHE
(2) 3-6 LHE
(2) 10-20 LHE
(2) 20-40 LHE

(15) 1-2 NL
(10) 2-5 NL
(3) 5-10 NL
(1) 10-20 NL

(1) 10-20 O.E.

(1) $60 SNG
(2) $100 SNG

(396) 11am 100+20

stan

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04-22-2009 , 04:09 PM

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JJH3984

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Originally Posted by Bremen

over/under on how many times you've explained you're not Mexican? lol, you should have just stayed avatarless
.mond:

PJ would have been a sad panda the over under is 150

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04-22-2009 , 04:19 PM

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Dr. Spaceman

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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East

new screenname?

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04-22-2009 , 04:20 PM

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Ruler of the East

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Tired of using Tab's

Stan

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04-22-2009 , 04:41 PM

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miajag

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Ten 2/5 tables and 3 5/10s at 4pm on a Wednesday is pretty impressive.

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04-22-2009 , 04:43 PM

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cl0r0x70

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Originally Posted by cl0r0x70

Stan, have you ever run across the above situation? Apparently it happened at Foxwoods recently.

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04-22-2009 , 05:05 PM

#318

Ruler of the East

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Unfortunaltely this has happened at the Borg as well. If we (management) have established that the player has actually put him/herself all in and loses, we can only ask them to put the chips in the pot. We can not take their chips. What we can do is call the authorities and have the player charged with theft. Once you bring that up the chips seem to find their way into the pot.

BTW thanks for starting the Borgata thread

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04-22-2009 , 05:59 PM

#319

cl0r0x70

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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East

BTW thanks for starting the Borgata thread

I have just two words in response: you're welcome.

Also, two more words: comp bonus.

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04-22-2009 , 10:48 PM

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p566

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Originally Posted by TAB

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Originally Posted by p566

In NLHE, under what conditions can an AI re-raise be raised by the previous raiser? In other words, player A bets $20. Player B goes AI for $25 total ($5 more, less than half the original raise). Player C calls $30. Can player A re-raise?
Again in NLHE, when a player who already has chips on the table places more cash (a hundred) on the table what's the dealer's responsibility if any? Is the dealer supposed to offer to provide chips or just let the cash sit on the table even though it doesn't play?
Is there any official policy on where the extra chips go on a chopped pot? This is most applicable in LHE and where I saw it most. Obviously it doesn't really matter but every dealer I saw do it went with a different rule. "Left of the dealer", "Highest hole card", "Highest suit", etc. I found that amusing.

Well those are all the answers I expected. And yet this happened.

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04-22-2009 , 11:00 PM

#321

Ruler of the East

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I have printed your post and I am going to hang it up by the schedules in the back hall. I want all of my staff to read this. Not as punishment mind you, but hopefully will look at it from the players view.

Stan

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04-22-2009 , 11:24 PM

#322

p566

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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East

I appreciate that Stan.

I do generally find the dealers and staff at the Borgata very competent, polite, and some are even entertaining.

Most quickly ask about changing cash, help out new players, etc. I do think the "can I raise?" question is the most likely to have a wrong answer with a meaningful result on the hand.

And I think the dealer in question seemed otherwise competent. I think she must have gotten distracted by the new player at the table and missed my $100. After that she was flustered and things just snowballed.

I certainly plan to be back to play. Thanks.

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04-22-2009 , 11:40 PM

#323

thadarkman78

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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East

Now what exactly can the authorities do? Some were saying in that previous thread mentioned that in certain states there's nothing that can be done, in other states many things can be done? Are you familiar with the law in this case? Is this considered criminal, civil, none, or both?

Also would you guys end up banning someone for life if it was determined he was all in and should pay the other player?

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04-23-2009 , 12:16 AM

#324

Ruler of the East

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Originally Posted by thadarkman78

I do not have all of the answers you are looking for when it comes to the authorities. I do know that the state police will be called if this occurs. And yes, this person would be permanently banned if he/she refused to pay the bet.

Stan

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04-23-2009 , 03:04 AM

#325

ashiXIII

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Originally Posted by thadarkman78

actually had this happen in the 2/5 PLO game. player made an all-in bet, got called, and lost a huge pot. palmed a $500 chip that was supposed to be in the pot and walked away, very quickly.

security found him, and apparently he was told the police would be called and he'd be banned if he refused to pay. he paid.

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