Hey Stan, I'm undecided if I'm going to make the trip tomorrow afternoon. A game report around 1 or 2 would be great!

a game report right around now would be great....

I'm in avalon and a pink chip O8 game with the potential to play 6+ handed for a while will get me to make the 25 min drive. If not....see you tomorrow

I recommend staying. You can play well rested and know that you have a place to crash if you get tired or want to take a break or need a clean place to take a dump. Further, if you play on Wednesday, the game will probably go because of all of the action generated by the big tournaments. I've been there two of the past three Wednesdays and the room has been packed each time. Looks like the PCG ran today as well.

Extremely stoked to hear that PCG may be running next Wednesday at Borgata. I'll be staying at Bally's Wednesday-Friday and am thinking about taking the Jitney over for tournies, etc. - any suggestions on Bally's -> Borgata Jitney strategy and estimates of duration of trip would be welcomed.

probably gonna be down later tomorrow. I'll be playing 3/6 with the white ftp hat and yellow ac/dc shirt.

Time for a live game report Friday 11:55pm

PC Omaha H/L just went down

(4) 2-4 LHE
(1) 3-6 LHE
(1) 7.50-15 LHE
(3) 10-20 LHE
(3) 20-40 LHE
(2) 40-80 LHE
(1) 80-160 LHE

(1) 1-2 PLO
(1) 10-20 O.E.
(1) 150-300 O.E.
(1) 600-1200 S.E.

(1) 100-200 Stud

(27) 1-2 NL
(11) 2-5 NL
(4) 5-10 NL
(1) 10-20 NL
(1) 10-25 NL
(1) 25-50 NL

(259) 12pm $300 + $40 NL Tourny
(80) 4pm $100 + $20 NL Tourny

BBJP $80,768

Stan

Ive been reading a lot about the pink chip game. I have never played in it. What are the stakes? Why is it so popular. What is the attraction. I did see the new pink chips when I was there. What is the game played thanks in advance.

There was a funny incident when I played last week. The borg is very well run and nice to play in. It was late and a guy noticed empty seat and asked the dealer if he could sit. The dealer tolh him yeah sure. So 2 minutes later floor guy comes to table and reams player for sitting down without asking him first lol. Dealer looked other way as this was happening I was waiting for dealer to say sorry boss I told him ok to sit, never happened.

I've been out of town, but I want to add my enthusiasm to the PCG. I can't wait to check it out tomorrow, preferably the PC O8 (or PC HOSE, if there's interest!).

Great job to Stan, of course, for making it happen, and to everyone who has been playing in it to get things going.

I will be at the Borgata Sunday afternoon into Monday. I would love to play either of the pink chip games. Do you think the game will be running Sunday? I would def be interested in a pink chip HOSE if we could get it running.

Stan-

I really think the PC O8 game is interfering w/the 10/20 OE, which as you should know, was a staple game of the house.

I remember right before the Borgata poker room had opened, and players had asked you about bringing the 15/30/45 OE game which was once played at the Trop to the B, and you said, no, because it would interfere with the 15/30 stud game because the limits were too close together. And, btw, a high low game would never interfere w/a straight stud game because the games are like night and day. You had no problem, however, spreading a 10/20 OE because you weren't planning on spreading a 10/20 stud game. Ok, that makes sense. And now, you're spreading a 7.50/15 game and you don't think that that will detract players from the 10/20 OE game??? The limits are not only too close together, but because high low games are usually so volitile to begin with (because the calling for them is obv. much much lower than holdem) when you try and spread O, OE games, you really should make sure that the limits between each game is double. If you want to spread a 5/10 O game, that's fine, or even a 20/40 would be cool. As it stands, I can see BOTH games suffering as a result.

I'm curious, did you ever ask any of the 10/20 players what their views were on this? If so, how many did you ask? Would it be Ok if I started an interest list for 15/30 LHE? I used to play that game all the time at the Taj, they stopped spreading it but me and a bunch of players would really love to see it spread at the Borgata. Any chance on that happening? If not, I'd like to know why. Thank-you

I still believe the 10-20 Game is staple game at the Borgata.

I am not sure where you are getting your information from but when we opened in 2003 we reached out to the 15-30-45 game. We invite them over. We let them PICK the table that they wanted to play on. They stayed about a week and then went back to the Trop. I would assume they just felt more comfortable there.

Why would i care about an O.E. interfering with straight stud game. Makes no sense.

Before opening the PC LHE game, i thought long and hard about it. I did not want to hurt the 10-20 LHE games. But we had a problem that needed to be fixed. We did not have a middle limit game for LHE. There is no game between the 3-6 and 10-20 games. We had the 6-12 game before the NL craze started. We also tried the 5-10 and 4-8 game but these limits also did not make it. So far so good with having both the PC and 10-20 LHE games. Last night at our peek we had (4) 10-20's and (1) PC LHE.

Until now the only Omaha games at the Borgata also included Stud H/L. We did not have a stand alone Omaha game. We again tried the 5-10 (BORING) and it just didn't take off. There are not enough 20-40 Omaha players in the city. If there were we would have the game.

If we only transfer players from one game to another, than your theory would be correct regarding the two Omaha games being to close. I am trying to bring in new players to the Borgata. If i am successful in doing so that both games will thrive and do very well.

There is a reason why I am on 2+2. I am trying to make things better not only for the Borgata but for the players as well. Please give me a chance to make this happen.

I am not saying that the 15-30 LHE game will never be spread but i would like to keep the 10-20, 20-40, 40-80 spread for now.

Stan

Stan,

If the 15-30 were to be spread, what would the collection be p/hhr?

IMO I don't believe the 15-30 game would interfere with the 20-40 and may draw more players from 10-20. A plus for the player and the Borgata.

Thanks,
Fred

You're doing an awesome job. Keep it up!

This is just untrue. 15-30 would ruin both 10-20 and 20-40

Stan,

Any thought on starting a straight stud or stud 8 game lower than 10/20 ? Maybe a pink chip stud or stud 8 ? Would probably be a good action game.

Is the 4/8 HOSE game gonna resurface ?

BTW, you posting in this thread is great for everyone; The players, Borgata, AC poker, etc. Thanks.

Table updates please. Pink chip running?

Stan-

At the time when the Borgata poker room had opened, the 15/30/45 OE game had already been moved from the Trop to the Taj. I was, still am, a regular player in the 15 two-way game at the Taj, and I distinctively remember having several conversations with the regular players about the possibility of the game moving to the Borgata, and if we thought that that would be a good thing for the game or a change that might actually hurt the game (because sometimes when a game is tranferred or changed in *any* way, even if it's done to support/help the game, you wind up losing players in the process, which happens when players prefer one card room to another, they don't like change, they like the food better at one place...whatever the reason is). The majority was that, we thought it would be a good thing if the game went to the Borgata. Anyway, right before your room opened, there was a discussion, with you, (maybe you don't remember) and our request was declined due to reasons that I previosuly stated in my first reply to you. But, the exisiting 10/20 OE game that was also a staple game at the Taj was approved by you, hence Table 19 at the Borgata.

Re: PC LHE game. I think the PC game is awesome! And, I don't think it would hurt the 10/20 LHE game because for one, the PC game has a following all of its own---it's a seperate beast----it's like a novelty thing that you either love or hate. And two, the demand for LHE games are so high and plentiful, that it wouldn't matter if you spread games that were close together in limts *as long as there is enough interest in LHE as a whole*.

And that's my point.

There is NOT enough interest in OE, O, or straight E to spread limits that are too close together. Yes, you might attract some of the 5/10 Omaha players from the Taj (kudos to you) but in turn, you will hurt and weaken the 10/20OE in the process. Maybe it won't happen right away, but it will, unfortunately, happen. You can argue all you want that it wont, but I've been playing high low professionally for 14 years (at limits ranging from 15/30 to 40/80) and I think I have some knowledge in which I speak. And, as a poker room manager like yourself, I'm sure you do, as well. But you must admit, that since 2003, this is really your first *real* vested interest in the high low games at these stakes. Heck, I've never even seen you slum in this room until recent, but whatever.

I hope your plans are successful for all.

Rush 17

I have no doubt that you know what you are talking about. Believe me, I know there is no way I will be able to please everyone. With over 60,000 card holding poker players and 400+ employees the best I can do is 50/50. I wish I had enough players to do everthing everyone wanted me to do but I don't. Players say that competition between poker rooms is good for them. In some cases this is true. In this case however it is not. If all of the high limit players, O players, E players, Stud players, and combonation there of were in one house, Imagine the possibilities. But we are split right now and probably will be for some time to come. I will continue to do my best to offer the best product available. I will try and listen to everone needs and concerns. But please don't expect me to full fill all of them because I can't.

Stan

Stan,

I've played the pink chip game at least four times now. Every time I'm at the table the discussion comes up about the $1 drop on $20 for the BBJP. Many of us feel that this is too high. Something along the lines of $1 on a pot of $50-80 would be more appropriate.


Thanks

I promise that i will look into this. I will give an answer early next week.

Stan

Time for a live game report Saturdy 2:35pm

(2) 2-4 LHE
(2) 3-6 LHE
(1) 7.50-15 LHE
(2) 10-20 LHE
(2) 20-40 LHE
(1) 40-80 LHE

(1) 7.50-15 Omaha H/L
(1) 10-20 O.E.
(1) 600-1200 H.O.S.E.

(2) 30-60 Stud
(1) 100-200 Stud

(17) 1-2 NL
(10) 2-5 NL
(3) 5-10 NL
(1) 10-25 NL
(1) 25-50 NL

(101) 11am $300 + $40 NL Tourny


BBJP $95,588

Stan

what's average buy in for PCG?

minimum two racks ($500)

thanks. Does the omaha hi/lo PCG usually run all night?

I used to play PC at the Trop...years ago. It's a great game, lots of action. But, to not get caught up with the looseness that this limit tends to lend to...you're probably going to need to tighten up a bit more than usual, unless of course, you are already a rock garden.