Don't forget you have to ask them for a transfer (receipt), they don't automatically give them out.


Yeah, it was brought up few months back but it's always good to remind the players who are just returning now. I don't really think MGM didn't wanna compensate poker players, but I guess when people question the process and they hear "It's either this way or nothing" it probably stops everyone from complaining, just imo.

Gonna be playing the tournament tomorrow, first live tournament in 3 years for me, LFG

Rumor...

Poker room manager leaving. Anybody else hear this.

No, but good riddance if true

On the one hand, I don't disagree with the sentiment.

On the other hand, if this is because higher management wants their own stooge installed that will be in line with the rest of the policies de-prioritizing poker players since the ownership change, things could be getting even worse.

+1

Damn y’all are harsh

I don’t think the poker manager is at fault for the decline in the poker room, his hands have been tied. MGM taking away comped rooms from poker players since April has been the new normal. This has really killed all the high limit games, Sunday is dead now. Borgata has become even more of a “weekend room” than it was before. Things will get worse in 2023 when MGM opens up a poker room at Yonkers, full gaming coming to NYC, will be the nail in the coffin for AC.

NYC could have done that years ago but they're too stupid and corrupt. If they had, I'd still live there. Belmont Park was a wasteland the last time I was there and there was plenty of room for a full fledged casino--the structure is huge. Better yet, they could have allowed poker rooms in OTB parlors and it would have paid the rent and they would still have OTB. He who shall remain nameless probably had something to do with NYC not legalizing casinos after he invested in casinos in AC.

One of the players in a game tonight claimed we wasn't allowed to bet more than the minimum at blackjack because he didn't have a player's card. I never heard of that. If true, the only reason I can think of is to foil blackjack counters, as they prefer to play anonymously. He claimed it was the same at baccarat, but may have only assumed so, as he probably got a card to play blackjack. It makes absolutely no sense to require players to have a players card for the privilege of losing money to the Borgata (but allow players to bet the minimum?) in any game but possibly blackjack. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

Also, I noticed a couple of weeks ago that Borgata had installed a second stadium gaming setup out on the floor. Tonight I noticed it was gone. Already? Does anyone know the reason for that? Seems like they never gave it a chance.

otb was mismanaged or corrupt or both.
how can legalized nyc horse racing monopoly lose $ every year?
Bloomberg got it right to stop the bleed.

but yeah, convert the larger otb storefronts into poker rooms would have been a great idea.

I have seen friends get told they can't play more than one hand at a time or bet more than the minimum without a player card.

Is this only at MGM? If that's the case they're gonna lose all the players who don't wanna use cards whether it's bc they pay child support (or are supposed to), have warrants. underpay taxes and think the IRS/State will find out, are not allowed to play according to their spouse and think they can find out, etc. All those players are just gonna play eslewhere (which may or may not be a good thing).

I was at an OTB in upstate NY in the mid-nineties (Schenectady?). It was more like a restaurant with OTB on the side. Think the Borgata sports book with a few small screens instead of the many large screens, and no video poker. A nice place nothing like the dirty OTBs in NYC with no seating. If all OTBs were like that nice one, they would have survived, and they wouldn't have needed that extra 5% take. But then again, they would have licensed out the restaurant concession at top dollar and the food probably would have sucked and they wouldn't have lasted. Tough to make a business work when it's run by the government. I don't know how that place upstate did it, but it worked there.

I don't know. I suspect it's only at the Borgata and only applies to blackjack. Card counting is legal in New Jersey and the way NJ casinos typically deal with it is to flat bet suspected counters (I don't know why a casino is allowed to change the rules on some gamblers and not others, but they get a away with it. It'll probably take another lawsuit from a Ken Uston type to stop it.). A suspected card counter's player's card is probably flagged as belonging to a suspected card counter so most counters won't use one when playing blackjack. So to be overly cautious, the Borgata is possibly taking the position that anyone not using a player's card might be a card counter. In other jurisdictions casinos are free to back off card counters or trespass them so there is no reason to have such a rule for that reason. Maybe other casinos in NJ do the same thing. But you're right, there are a lot of reasons players don't want their play tracked, reasons the casino shouldn't care about and have no financial reason to discourage.

I started a thread in LVL hoping for some feedback regarding such a rule in Las Vegas. But the mods over there must have deemed it not worthy of its own thread and moved it to a general topics thread where it will go unnoticed by most. Since the sale, 2+2 mods have been overly active (in my opinion) in moving threads to other forums or burying them in general discussion threads. No doubt this is good some of the time. But it discourages participation on the site, which is something I assume they wouldn't want to do.

When Kenny won his lawsuit that's when they went to 8 decks and shuffled up when 1.5/2 decks were still left which took a big chunk out of their win rates and with the huge swings in bj/counting, and a lot of less than optimal players trying to count, they should welcome them with open arms.

Also limiting a counter without a card to minimum bets does absolutely nothing. All he needs to do is signal to his friend at the table (with a card) when to increase bets.

But then the friend's card could get flagged and presumably be limited to the table minimum forever. The policy does its job, unless of course the counter has an infinite number of friends to bet on his behalf.

I recall GN having a similar policy in the past so I don't think it's an MGM-only thing. But I wouldn't be surprised if they are more restrictive than others.

it was sold?!

when was it sold?
to who?
and why did Mason Malmuth sell?

Go check out the ATF forum. It happened a couple months ago.

Played a bit here this weekend, cashed the tournament despite playing like an absolute idiot in 2 or 3 big hands.

Thought the room was well run as always etc, but jfc the people. Had a bunch of absolutely horrendous humans at my tables throughout the weekend, both here and Harrah's, guess I shouldn't be surprised but now I live in the Midwest I'm used to people not being as big a set of ****s.

Welcome to Jerz, the state of my birth. Of course New Yorkers contribute plenty to the poker room ambiance, too.

Yeah I lived in NY for a long time before moving to Chicago, and obviously casinos do tend to attract an awful set of people (particularly at the lower stakes like I play), but my god. The amount of thinly veiled (and not so thinly veiled) racist/sexist comments I heard was out of this world.

Genuine scumbags everywhere.

I think the rudeness of New yorkers is highly overblown, so go **** yourself

Your points have merit. But look at the terms and language you used on your two posts. ****s, scumbags, jfc

If that’s how you speak in public some people might include you in the “awful set of people” that casinos attract.

You are just now learning this, bud?