if i fly in to play the wpt main event who should i talk to about possibly getting a room rate?

Was surprised to see two full games with a list.

Shift boss said they are running a promotion for this game: a 10 dollar comp to players who play four consecutive hours.

Promotion runs 24/7. The comp is in addition to the normal $2 an hour.

Crazy, crazy play.. made my head spin.

They spread that at Commerce. It's wild to say the least.

My mistake :

40 dollar comp for four hours play plus the normal 2 dollars and hour.

40/80 now too.

Are they advertising this anywhere? I'd have no idea if it wasn't for your posts and I've played in the room the last couple of days.

Not I know of.

Just ask the list person or floorman about the 4 hours for 40 plus the normal 8 dollar comp promotion when you sign up to play the game.

I'm staying at B later in the year.

What's the best way to get the poker room rate?
There's nothing on the website...

Thanks.

Depends. Do you own a phone?

I own... an English phone.
Does that help?

Call and ask to speak to a poker host.

Perhaps it has been discussed in this thread at some point, but I was pretty embarrassed after a ruling made this past weekend at the B. An older gentleman, seemingly a reg, requested a transfer to my 1-3 table. He carried over more than the max buy-in, and walked away. The dealers changed halfway into his leave, and he returned with my stern declaration that only $300 of his $600 should play, as this gentleman was from a transfer and not broken table.
Dealer looked at me and laughed.
Player looked at me and laughed.
4 French players at the table had only a vague understanding of my argument, but at least they didn’t laugh.
I called the floor. Floor, player and dealer all reiterated the same anti-ratholing sentiment. How is it that the rules that apply almost everywhere else I’ve ever played (NJ, PA, FL) run counter to the prevailing and outspoken ruling at the B? I would take my business elsewhere next time, but it was a very nice experience.
Trying not to be overly nitty about it. I earned my spot as the big stack at the table and this guy just waltzed over and took it from me due to a stupid ruling. I’m all for playing deeper, but why even have table limits if they only matter on your initial buy-in at any one table in the room?

Also, apparently the ruling in CA as well:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...-games-954740/

Tl;dr—B regs,dealers,floor think table transfers with limits are ratholing. Nobody there ever heard of the prevailing notion elsewhere in the country.

This is pretty standard in vegas. And personally I agree with it. The limits on buyin have nothing to do with you earning your position as chip leader (I find that concept laughable in a cash game). The buy in limits have two purposes....make ignorant players feel more comfortable, and slow down the speed with which players go broke.

I would hate to play in a room where players could rathole simply by changing tables. Not only do I see it taking a lot of money out of play... but it will also destabilize games by creating an artificial reason for players to change tables frequently.

They shouldn't have laughed at you about it, but different rooms have different rules for table changes and buyins.
You would be advised to find out what the house rules are before appointing yourself table captain. Doesn't seem like something to get worked up about either way.

Don't you feel the ability to change games while maintaining your current stack is (artificial) reasoning enough to change tables frequently? The deterrent to table selecting in my home casino (Parx) is that you are unable to keep the stack with you when you go over, and are relegated to table max. What reasons would you have to move if you'd reduce your effective stack to the max buyin at a new game where you have to go south just to hit the max and be compliant? Answer: fewer reasons.

I would have likely laughed at you as well. Generally people with this position are horrible for the game and a waste of a seat.

You should be happy a (likely) bad player has a lot of chips to lose, and you should also be happy that Vegas casinos are some of the few that have rules in place to prevent nitty rat holers from burying their profits.

Thanks Chillrob. Still steaming over it though.
As much as I hate the attitude of people at the B (same folks who think Fiji water is somehow better than others) I will probably return there next trip, armed with my newfound knowledge. Just noting the one-off rule disparity.

GG B, well played

Just odd that it's a forced transfer with same stakes. Broken table, I get it. I grew up with one rule for 15 years, and am salty to see it abandoned because others have a differing opinion on what is 'right'.

When in Rome...

Of your stack size doesn't change if you move tables it creates no more incentive to move than it does to stay.

Your reasons for moving are the same reasons you would have for moving if there were no cap on the buy in at all.

One reason would be to rathole the profits, knowing that you wouldn't be able to buy-in for more than the max at the new table. (I don't like this, but I'm used to it)

One deterrent would be that you are unable to play deep in these games, because you are forced to buy-in for no more than the max at the table. (I am also used to this, so it was discomforting that as soon as I built a stack up, somebody who covered me could transfer over, although he sat to my right?!).

That looks blatantly inconsistent to me. This guy started with no more than the max buy-in just like you. He earned his chips too. It makes no sense to say that you earned your chips and he didn't. You don't seem to mind if someone comes over with a bigger stack from a broken table so I don't get what the problem is here.


The initial buy-in is a much bigger deal than you're suggesting here IMO.

You could have gotten laughed at in any room in Vegas over these complaints.

Sometimes guys don't know the table limit and sit initially with over $300, if no one notices, it plays. Why wouldn't you be fine with that too? If you plan on winning why don't you want more money on the table?

Did the guy come from a bigger game (like $2/5nl) or the same $1/3nl game that you were playing but just a different table?

You were embarrassed because you handled this badly. There was no need to make stern declarations when you're unfamiliar with the room and the rules in the room. Any reg in that room would know he could bring more than the maximum buy-in over if he was coming from another 1-3 game.

Next time you can always just ask the dealer and mention that the rules are different in other rooms you played in. Talk to the floor to confirm that things are okay if you need to. They get a lot of tourists in there so they are used to having players in there who have never played in Vegas and who are not used to the way things are done in Vegas.

In other words, just be more humble about stuff like this in these situations. And people will tend to like you better when you do that. I think some people will be offended when they want to play cards and another player is sternly telling them what they can and can't do.

Big (bad) news at Bellagio: as of two days ago, 20/40 limit holdem is no longer $5 per down time charge, but raked up to $4 per hand.