I am down, wed/thurs nights are best from me. What steaks?

Hope you guys are good at counting the pot because likely no dealer there has ever dealt it.

There's dealers there that have dealt it from both Hayward and LC. However that isn't saying they know how to count the pot because both those rooms had the dealers stack the chips in order to keep track of the size of the pot (current LC game might be different, as I haven't played the PLO game there in years)

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't expect dealers to know how to count the pot. It's not that easy to do and a rarely used skill set. And telling a player the wrong pot amount is worse than just saying nothing.

I'm also somewhat skeptical of this game going off so easily. Has anyone at Bay even submitted the rules yet? Pretty sure that's why the GC game had to be technically no-limit and not pot limit.

And the drop is $6.

Any other San Jose poker rooms with more Omaha hi/lo games and lower rake?

And when sportbettor says a long time, that is what it takes. List might look short but no one ever leaves that game. Ever. You might be 4th or 5th and get called 4 hours later.

Nothing else in San Jose 99% of the time. It looks like your closest alternative is Lucky Chances, about 45 min. north of San Jose.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=21

Yup, the last time I tried to get into that game I played NL while waiting and finally gave up after 3 1/2 hours and went home. I was third or fourth on the list when I signed up and second when I left.

Garden City got a 10/20 half kill O/8 game together tonight. I think they'll be trying to get it together again next Thursday as well.

when is garden citys new casino near bay 101 going to open.

Supposed to be Chinese New Year of 2012. Which would be Jan. 23. I don't think they'll make it though.

I don't think the New Years was an official target.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/p...l-phase-2.html

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How about this wednesday. 5/5?

I'm a regular at Bay101. I noticed that more an more short-stackers are exploiting the $2/3/5 NL game. What they do is buy in for $200 and when there is a raise and several callers, they shove all-in with hands like KQ, AJ+, 88+, gaining incredible fold equity.
When there are two or more shortstackers on the table, it kills the action, because no one wants to enter a pot just to get blown out of it by a shortstacker.
I acknowledge that the short-stack strategy is profitable, and if someone wants to buy in short and exploit the table in this way, it is their right. However, Bay 101 actually allows a short-stacker to continue this exploitation all day long. When a short-stacker accumulates $300+ chips, their strategy no longer works. And so what they do is switch tables, and start again at $200, pocketing the rest.

Now this is extremely unfair. Shortstackers should be able to buy in short when they arrive at the casino, but if they switch tables, they should be forced to take all the chips with them to the next table. ALL THE CHIPS, not exceeding the max buy in, of course.

Please change the rules and protect us from being exploited like this.

I was under the impression that when switching tables you could only reduce your stack if it was over the max buy in unless you waited for 30 minutes or 1 hour minimum (not sure of Bay's rules). In other words, no ratholing when switching tables unless table stakes dictate it.

I suppose this assumption of mine could be circumvented easily by someone who drops down to 1/2/2 for an orbit or two to get their stack back to $200 before returning...

Shorter JAChristman: "People who play unexploitably are extremely unfair. Please change the rules so they no longer can play better than me."

I'll preface this by saying I'm not an expert on short-stacking strategy, but I have a hard time believing the strategy itself is unexploitable. My impression is that it more effectively exploits people who can't properly adjust, not that it can't be exploited.

Seriously, what time of the day are you playing? I never see anything close to optimal short stack strategy being implemented in this game.

Granted, most short-stackers player horribly (I know two who play it well). But that doesn't mean that I still want players switching tables to shorten their stack. I'd rather the rule be fixed BEFORE people start figuring out how to play this strategy, not after the game has already been ruined by it.

The problem is that the deepstackers have two choices, make themselves vulnerable to other deepstackers but defend against shortstackers, or make themselve vulner to shortstackers but defend against deepstackers. The second choice is better, and shortstackers benefit. I won't go into any more detail because I don't actually want people learning to play this style.

The casino will choose rules that they feel are best for their games. Their incentives don't have to align with yours. In a low-limit game like the 2-3-5 that means allowing people to play stacks they are comfortable with. unfortunately there's not much you can do about it.

What you are saying is self-evident...but I'm not sure what your purpose is in saying this other than to spread your feelings of despair.

Maybe the Bay101 management isn't aware of how frequently players pocket money as they switch tables. Maybe the management isn't aware that a proportionally growing shortstack population creates table environments that are tighter and less fun. It kills the action. Maybe the Bay101 management shares the same incentives as I do, but just don't know it yet.

Maybe you shouldn't give up so easily. What the casino management does with this information is up to them. But there is something I can do about it. I'm doing it...and I will do more.

Have you talked to Stan S or Susan D about your concerns?

"Less fun", "tighter", "integrity of the game", "ratholling", etc won't work. You have to convince them that the casino will lose money if they do not change the rule.

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It's hard to convince them of this cause I'm not even sure this is true. All they need is a constant supply of mediocre/breakeven regs to keep their seats warm. Most casual players are fine with playing 40bb poker until they double up or bust in which case they reload and continue.

Don't play there. Plenty of donks at Garden City with big stacks.