good poker rooms are still booming Borgata,Parx even some of the other PA poker rooms do well

Its CET look at harrahs chester run very bad, harrahs ac run poor caesars was run bad showboat run bad and showboat had a good chance in the beginning of making it

So lets blame who needs to be blamed CET management& floor not the dealers they have no say

exactlly johnnyg523
we expect the best from a big company like CET they should know the business by now but i see the same bad management on wsoponline so this goes deep into the CET management network

And for the people who think all we are saying is FAIL FAIL FAIL we are not
we are saying " GET WITH THE PROGRAM"

I will give my opinion on the matter...the WSOP CIRCUIT schedule is done during the summer for the entire year ahead. Caesars lost the circuit event well before they closed doors. You can't just schedule a circuit event out of nowhere. If you looked at the entire circuit schedule, you would see there is no room to just add an event without running two stops entirely at the same time. WSOP had to overlap most stops this year which really hasn't been done as often before. The national championship is supposed to be at Caesars this year and if I had to guess, might just be at the WWW in May. You also have to take into mind what other casinos are doing in the region. It's already a tight fit to have a tournament series not conflict with someone else's tournament series.

As for running WSOP satellites, would you rather them run a subpar 1100 dollar tournament now, or wait a month or so to tighten up ship and run a quality event with qualifiers into it? Personally if I'm investing 1100, I want things to be run well.

Changes have already been made to tournaments since moving down, structures for all tournaments have been modified, the weekend tourney is like a true Deepstack and not a shove fest flipping coins for $10K.

Everyone has to remember, even though this is a combo of two rooms into one, it is still a new room, with new logistical challenges to the layout to the room and more staff is still needed just because it's a bigger space alone. This is the soft opening period, the "grand opening" of the room is slated for May.

I am not defending, I am just saying give them time to get their ducks in a row, then feel free to give "constructive" criticism that you all have so graciously offered the WWW staff thus far.

Let the ripping of my post.....begin...

Yes, the management is poor and made up of greedy pigs,
But, l think you have a few excellent shift managers and l have
A great deal of respect for the poker director's work. In fact, i would even say
He has shown Stan's golden touch despite working with few resources. I think the errors are being made above his pay grade.
There is no way the current poker director would have pissed off all of his constituents from day one, cash game players by reducing promotions and tnmt players by canceling guaranteed tnmts. A decision above his pay grade was made to please tournament players and screw everyone else. They also have poorly laid out cash resources to put the room together, advertise it or even give The director the right to give away complimentary rooms. He can promise all the complimentary rooms he wants, but if he is not allowed to book rhe rooms, you see the problem lies above his pay grade. The rake back and beverage service have serious errors that can't be explained except to say greed rules higher management and they have no concern for customer satisfaction...but l think it improper to blame the competent hard working shift managers or a smart and experienced poker room director, the calamity of errors are being made at a higher level

As for running WSOP satellites, would you rather them run a subpar 1100 dollar tournament now, or wait a month or so to tighten up ship and run a quality event with qualifiers into it? Personally if I'm investing 1100, I want things to be run well.


i agree with that but if you have talked with staff at www they dont want to and say they have no plans for any qualifiers to vegas

and they should run lots of $100+vig sats to the $1100
like when harrahs had a OK room they ran daily $110+25 daily to the $1100 weekly sunday
every sunday had no less than 130 players it was run very well then good ole lazy ass john authur did away them and they never returned this was 4 yrs ago

A few years ago the greed heads decided to reduce the
Number of staff on the floor , since then having too few floor
People is a cormmon problem, with the expected drop in customer Satisfaction. I experienced this myself when i was punched in the face by
A stray punch in another poker room, in that case one of the pugilists had bad aim, there weren't enough people on the floor to reduce the likelihood of boxing matches.

Oh good. I thought your poetry had stopped.

Are they honoring the 4 hours of $1/2 NL for a Sun-Thurs room offer that was made earlier in this topic? If so, has anyone been able to book same day or next day?

For anyone interested, here's a TR of 1-2 NL cash game play where I catch some good cards.

For various life reasons I haven't played any online nor live poker since Thanksgiving. I'm usually a Borgata player, but the combined reasons of not wanting my few CET reward points to expire and wanting to check out the new room led me to the Wild Wild West room at Bally's on Friday night.

For the purpose of getting back into the poker mindset, an hour before departing for Bally's, I fire up a few SnGs on a less than reputable online platform. Super low micro stakes, so I don't really care about the money, but I want to do well at these games for personal pride's sake. Thanks to some truly awful postflop play by my opponents in the later rounds and my winning two 60-40 flips, I cash in all of the games I play, taking two 3rd-place finishes and one 1st place cash. These results, along with me thinking that I played well, put me in a good mood.

The Wild West poker room is a huge improvement from what I remember of the previous 2nd-floor Bally's poker room. If I remember correctly, at one point Bally's was the only room in AC that allowed smoking at the poker tables. On my way to the tables, I pass a number of signs that read "3 dollar bottles, 2 dollar shots". (Previously, I was in AC for a friend's birthday and we were successfully lured by said 2 dollar shots). I arrive around 8pm, so there isn't much revelry yet, but eventually the dance floor will turn into a college bar atmosphere featuring all types including really beautiful dolled up girls as well as creepy guys (myself included) in t-shirts and jeans.

Anyway, at the first open 1-2 NL table available I park myself in the 10-seat with 300 in chips (you can buy in up to 500). There are two older fellows in the 1-seat and 2-seat, each with ~200. The 3-seat has a tatoo on his arm and a stack of 1000. The quiet 4-seat has 150-200 and a cute lady friend sitting behind him. 5-seat is a classic OMC with ~250. My half of the table is pretty gregarious; middle-aged spiked-haired lady with a diamond card sits in the 6-seat with ~150. 7-seat with ~200 is a blond-haired fellow in a golf shirt and khakis, and I get the impression that I've played with him previously. The 8-seat and 9-seat are a rotating group of players that don't stay long at the table.

My first hand at the table I get QJ in the cutoff. 1 limper, I make it 10, and folks make some light-hearted comments about me raising my first hand. 1-seat (button) and 4-seat (utg) call me and we see a flop of T73. Checks to me, I c-bet 15, both players call. Turn is the A, 4-seat and I check. 1-seat bets 25, 4-seat folds, I fold. 1-seat proudly tables QJ. NH sir.

Given that I haven't played in a while, I resolve to play a tight game so that I don't get into too many tricky spots.

I fold for the next ten hands or so, and on my next button I get AQ. 2 limpers, I make it 12, and 4-seat calls. It turns out that this player is a huge calling station, but I don't know it at the time. Flop is K78, he checks to me, I bet 15, he calls. Turn is the K. So much for trying to represent a king, but villain checks to me again, and I fire 25. He hems and haws for a bit, then finally cuts out his chips for a call. River is a deuce, and I get checked to again. Well, so much for playing tightly, I'm going to need to triple-barrel if I want to win this pot. I fire 45 into the pot. Villain takes another 30 seconds to think. I look at my stack of only ~100 and think to myself "****, what have I done." Perhaps villain seeing me bet on 4 streets sees that as strength, and he chucks his cards into the muck.

I later get JJ in the cutoff. 1 limper, and khakis in the 7-seat makes it 11. Damn, that's what I was going to do! I think about 3-betting, and sometimes I will 3-bet this, but this time I get gun-shy and decide that I'll be ok getting away from this if there's an ace or king on the flop and villain shows convincing strength. Flop is 863. Villain bets 22 or 23, I call. Turn is 2, villain checks. I think it's unlikely I'm beat here. Villain has ~140 remaining, and I fire 40. He thinks for a good while about this, easily the longest tank of the night.

As he's mulling his decision, the drink lady finally comes around. I order a Corona, but I get a bit of resistance. Drink lady asks if I have a diamond or 7-star card. I say that I don't, and she tells me that I need one if I want to order bottled beer. Huh? The lady in the 6-seat "vouches" for me; apparently as long as someone else at the table has a card (and you haven't made an enemy of that person), the waitresses are happy to bring you bottled beer. Later some folks try explaining why this rule exists, but I'm unable to follow the logic of the given explanations.

After that exchange, villain is still in the tank. He finally lets it go. He tells me "well it's either fold or shove for me there, do you call a shove for 100 more?" I tell him I'm not sure. I ask if me ordering a drink influenced his decision, and he gives a non-committal answer.

I proceed to win a BB special with KT, getting the nut straight on the turn. Again the 4-seat calling station is in the pot with me, and he pays off a $30 river bet with second pair. Interestingly, the 2-seat also called my river bet. It becomes clear to me that I can do well at this game as long as I play decent ABC TAG poker. The big question is if I will have the discipline to do so.

The only 4-bet pot of the night shortly ensues. The 3-seat with the 1k stack opens to 10, gets 1 caller, and khakis in the 7-seat pops to 45. 7-seat had about 110 to start the hand. Folds around to 3-seat who 4-bets to 110. 7-seat thinks for a bit, then finally calls with QQ. It holds up against 3-seat's AK.

On the cutoff I get TT. OMC raises to 10, 7-seat calls him. It's time to 3-bet! I put in 40. OMC puts on a good tanking show. When he folds, the 6-seat lady mumbles "wow, all that drama for nothing." 7-seat folds to me.

The following hand I played really slowly (remember, I resolved to myself to play tight). I get dealt KQ UTG+2. I open to 8 and get 4 callers, including the 1k stack in the 3-seat and the calling station in the 4-seat. Flop is K58. I'm first to act on all streets. I check, and it gets checked around. Turn is the 9. I check, the 3-seat bets 15, the 4-seat station calls, and I call. The three of us see the river K. I check again, 3-seat bets 50, 4-seat folds, I elect to just call, MHIG. You can never be too careful I guess.

Still lots of limping in this game. 3 limpers to me; I'm in the HJ and limp 66. Button limps and blinds are in, so we have a 7 players seeing a board of AK6. Checks around to me, I bet 10, older man on the button calls (he had just over 200 at the start of the hand), everyone else folds. Turn is the K, putting 2 flush draws on board. I'm stuck in "pay me now" mode, so without much thought I fire 20 into the pot. I wasn't thinking this at the time, but in my post-hand reflection, I think if villain had a flush draw he calls this bet. He tanks for a bit then folds. He might have had a weak ace here, so there's a small chance I might have gotten a small river bet out of him if I checked the turn; oh well.

A newcomer arrives in the 5-seat. He might have been drunk or at the very least, he had a few in him. On his first hand he gets into an argument with the dealer regarding whether he string raised or not. He claims he placed 3rd in the morning 25k, but that his sponsors won't allow him to play any NL cash games higher than 1-2.

Drunk/tipsy/whatever 5-seat is UTG and makes it $7 to go. 4 people call, including myself and the older fellow in the 2-seat (button). I have 33. Before the flop is peeled, 5-seat asks "what, does everyone have ace-king?" Flop is Q83. Who has two thumbs and loves flopping sets? Checks to me, I bet 20, 2-seat calls, and 5-seat calls. Turn is 7. 5-seat fires 10 (yes, ten), I pause and raise to 50 (both villains started the hand with about 200). 2-seat calls, and 5-seat folds. River is the 2, I fire 110 to put 2-seat all in, and he calls with



After about 3-4 hours total I rack up for the session, up about 470. Definitely got some good cards and got lucky in various spots.

I get the feeling it's the phone's app but I still think it should rhyme. E tu, dipce?

I'm a cash gamer but might hit up a satellite or two if it's for Vegas! Hope this happens!

I was the 3 seat. I remember the hand we played and the diamond card discussion about bottled beer but not the face. Diamond card issue was gone very next morning btw. I believe one of the people on the floor stood up about it.

You're a poker player, and you don't recognize 1978 WSOP Main Event champion Bobby Baldwin? Read a poker book or watch Rounders already, lol.

@pokerinfinities,

Great read, thanks for the TR. I'll be down for a short week in April. Staying elsewhere, but will be tempted to check out the new digs... perhaps I'll have to try some micro SNGs as prep

How on God's green earth is Joseph's Hachem a one-hit wonder? Since he won the WSOP Main Event in '05, he's "only" won a little over $4.1 million, including a WPT title -- hardly the definition of a one-hit wonder.

** The 7pm tourney has a $4K guarantee. **

Referencing the comments about the problems with the room being, at least in part, because of people far above Dan's pay grade, let's also please remember that CET (and by CET I mean people in high management positions, NOT the poker room staff) also has failed poker rooms and players in Las Vegas. Their $5.00 max rake, the highest in the city, is one of the reasons that CET poker rooms don't do as well as some others such as Bellagio, Aria, MGM, Venetian - and even off strip rooms such as Red Rock and Orleans (for confirmation on this, check out Dynasty's thread on the state of Las Vegas Poker and the 2+2 magazine article on the same).

I have no idea why this is the case, but high up in CET management a series of decisions have been made regarding poker that has had a strong negative impact on the state of poker rooms at CET properties. Not Dan's fault at all, or the fault of anyone working at any of the poker rooms themselves.

Lee

I'm not a CET employee (or even in the casino biz) but I gather they are charging more for the WSOP brand. I understand if they did this for tournies but not for cash games.

I just booked for tomorrow night. Comped but $13 total in fees.

Thanks for the TR.

What is the fee breakdown?

Looks like recovery and service fees.

There should be $5 for AC tax. Is there a description of the other line items?

What is an OMC, please?
Thanks for the TR.

OMC = old man coffee.