I was there yesterday just played 1-2 cash. At 7:45pm there were only about 78 runners in the tournament and I considered late regging but a) I was absolutely shattered after not sleeping much on Friday night and b) I suck at tournaments.

I then watched some of a couple of the tournament and realized I would have been fine. Saw some wannabe young pro (hoodie/sunglasses) overlimp then shove over an old man's 3 bet with 67s. This was not high level thinking, from what the guy was saying afterwards.

Did they honour the 25k guarantees after not meeting them once?

The dealers and floor were pretty good at the cash tables, but the waitresses were non-existent.

The play during Saturday day was pretty much what you'd expect from a 1-2 table in the afternoon, lots of limping and limp-calling, lots of stations etc.

At my table there was one player who seemed very competent, one of the only players to 3b with anything other than QQ+ or AKs and show it down other than me (obviously anyone could have done it and not shown it down), he bet $300 into a $60ish pot on the river against a station who called with middle pair. Dude had the nuts obviously.

This hand was fun, I realize this should go in LLSNL but just to give you an example. It's been a while since I got berated for what I think is a completely standard hand, but whatever. Not going to go into history but here's the basics:

I open 53cc from the cutoff, BB flats (she has about $180 behind, I have like $400 but was breaking even).

Flop is 522, she checks, I bet $15 she min-crs to $30, I flat

Turn is 9, she leads $35, I flat

River is 5, she open ships her last $95 or whatever and obviously I call, she says "you got it" and shows 77, I turn it up and she storms off giving me "you raised with that crap and called a checkraise?".

I don't think that I did anything wrong in this hand, but she was very annoyed.

Does anybody know for sure how much monies the guaranteeds were short this weekend and how much was taken out of promo fund or wsop paid for it

Well the Saturday 11am finished with 102 runners at 175 + 25 so technically 17850 for prize pool and 2550 for vig, total is 20400, so $4600 short of even "breaking even" (yes I realize that's not breaking even but you know what I mean).

The 7pm had about 85 runners last time I saw at 8pm or so.

U can't get an honest answer I heard they got 79 runners at the 11 am and 73 for the 7 pm on Friday that's like 24000 dollars short

There were about 79 runners at the 11am around 12 midday but they finished with 102 (at least that's what was showing on the board at about 7pm).

I don't know about Friday, nor how the Saturday one finished up.

I noticed this yesterday, waitress hardly came round at all and then we saw them all arguing for a good 5 minutes about who was to cover where.

Personally I don't gaf what the waitresses look like (would not give a solitary **** if they were guys either), as long as they do their job, so whoever said "you need to get hotter servers" can gft tbh.

It wasn't a terrible hand. Since in LP you can come in with almost anything I don't mind 53cc if you feel you have good post flop skills and you are reading the players well.

It was she that did not play well. Her biggest mistake is either not c-betting enough on the flop or not CR enough on the flop after you lead out in order to make you lay down top pair. The question is if she led out or CR with a 3/4 to a pot-sized bet would you fold? What about a pot-sized/all-in bet on the turn by her?

Your hand kept improving with each street. First top pair, then TP w/a flush draw, then a full house.

As is, this hand could have played out the same if she held AK instead of 77.

It was weak play in her part. She was prob running bad too. I'd invite her to play!

Just my $.02.

The final # of entries for all the weekend $25Ks from what I heard (some from this thread). The only one I played was the Sat 7pm:

Fri 11am: 79
Fri 7pm: 73

Sat 11am: 102
Sat 7am: 101 (i was the bubble boy @5:30 am)

So that's 38000 dollars short who's paying that difference ???

According to management it's coming from the promo monies that's crazy unless somebody in upper management says something that's ridicoulous

How many rebuys? Also 5am for a 730pm start to make the money is way way to long.

? as long as it gets paid. Or is this going to be more complaining about the bbj money? I play cash so my money goes in it too. My odds of getting some of that money are much greater by playing overlay tournaments. Does the fine print on the bbj rules/regs say the money can be used for other things? I believe someone posted on another thread that it does. If so there is nothing to complain about. If you have a problem with CET then there is always GN or Borgata. I apologize if that is not where you were going with your question, but by asking for numbers and then this question it seemed like it was.

seriously who cares if its paid from bbj. stop complaining. ur still getting rakeback and high hands.

i dont know if it states on bbj rules that overlay will be taken from there,But i do think its unfair.That is no way to guarantee a tournament, with our own money.

i do agree about playing at GN and Borgata because thats what i do, i dont play at WWW i know about 50 people that also dont play there for that reason and more.

As i do think Borgata is the best room i would like to see a good wsop room on the boardwalk side to keep the poker business in AC..

So i dont think all of the post are just people complaining.

Where do borgata and GN get the money to pay overlays from?

we asked the same question to floor and poker manager at borgata and was told that the casino paid it and it did not come from bbj ect and that most likely they will get a fine from nj gaming Harrahs got a fine a few years ago for taking 5% from tourneys for dealers without approval(and disclosure to players) from NJS Gaming

as for GN i dont know

Most players i have spoke with agree that if WWW/CET just told everyone in advance that the bbj would fund the overlay it would have gone over better...We feel we were not given a choice they did it in a sneeky way .if we knew some of us would not have played live there and some would of played and not cared.

unfortunately this is not the only issue with the room

Just think how powerful a CET/Wsop room could be.

Its a wsop with no qualifiers to wsop LV ???
Borgata has lots of qualifiers to wpt in the poker room and online

players know what games they want so just give it to them and collect the rake.

I agree, hand is perfectly standard as played. I was in the CO I'm opening anything remotely playable there because the dude in the button is a huge station with a lot of money, the SB I've seen open fold a set when a 3rd club hit and someone bet 1/4 pot (they didn't have it) and the BB is this girl who keeps talking a good game but kept making what she thought was advanced plays but were not.

She check-minraised the flop, normally against a complete idiot this is a sign of utter strength but she was at least one level above total moron, I'm not sure what this CR was designed to achieve, but had she made it like $42 or something I might have folded, as it was the backdoor draws in there combined with IO (I'd seen her stack off with a 3 barrel bluff with AK into top 2 at this table) kept me in.

The funny thing is, had the same thing happened and the river come like 4d I would still have thought long and hard about calling and she may have stacked me some of the time.

**edit** - sorry I realize from forum/thread.

So, how about them shoddy waitresses huh?

WSOP Poker Room @ Bally's

I always like people to call me by my correct name. I am just a patron. You may want to change the title of this thread.

Alternatively, I prefer the Wild Wild Wild Wild Wild West poker room.

If she's like any 1-2 player that can't control her emotions, I'd say there's a decent chance she didn't realize that you had a 4-flush on the turn (after you revealed your cards).

Your play was fine.

I agree that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for rhe gander and so propose that next month they take half of the entry fees for tnmts and deposit them to the bbjp.

It just doesn't make sense to me. Such a big grand opening for a room that is combining two poker rooms in the same building. It's supposed to be a pretty big deal. Advertising was poor, comps and promos are poor, location is poor. How do the people who get paid the big bucks for these decisions botch this stuff so badly?

Borgata doesn't get overlays on their guarantees. They smash they consistently series after series year after year. That's why they keep making their guarantees bigger on the WPT events. As far as the nugget goes they put up the difference since the amount of BBJ $ they have and promo money is so small. They figure if you wander unto the casino floor as alot of people do it doesn't matter.
Then again GN overall might be 1K or a little bit less surely not 10K. I would advise to play these 25K tournaments while you can. They just may not be around for too long. Look at what they did with the bounty tournament at Ballys. They took that guarantee away after they realized they couldn't make the number they needed, and that was only a 2500 guarantee.

guess should of said "when they 1st opened" for borgata

yes i do like the the GN im sure the overlays wont last forever

CET that says it all

why they dont look at borgata and parx to see what works

and with all the $ CET has they cant invest in good promos ,advertising and proper staffing