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I've seen multiple people in multiple threads complain about Showboat's structure, but no one has ever answered my question. Who in AC has a better structure at that price point?

I do agree that it should be improved for the $200 tourney, though.

Golden Nugget dies on multiple days throughout the week. Their weekend tournaments are $120 but the structure is phenomenal compared to Showboat. Borgata's structure is legendary too. Although a bit more expensive the structure more than makes up for it. What's your ROI on showboat tournaments? Can't be that high vs other well structured tournaments. I've kept track and that's why I stopped playing showboat's shove fests. My ROI is so much higher at Borgata and GN that it doesn't matter the cost is more. The object is to make money no? But please play where you feel comfortable. I'd rather have the overlay at the Nugget anyway

So the answer is, no one in AC has a better structure than Showboat at that price point. My point has never been that the structure is great, it's that you're not gonna find a better one for that price. If I'm playing a $120 or $200 tourney I absolutely expect the structure to be better than what I'm getting in SB's $70 tourney.

I don't keep records, but my ROI is massive in the Showboat Saturday 7PMs since they started the guarantees. Sure, small sample size, but I've cashed in about 40% of them that I've played (which is admittedly not that many, maybe 20-25), with plenty of deep runs get to the chop which usually ends up being about 3rd or 4th place money per person. That's not even including 2 or 3 times I've gotten a little something on the bubble.

I don't keep records, but my ROI is massive in the Showboat Saturday 7PMs since they started the guarantees. Sure, small sample size, but I've cashed in about 40% of them that I've played (which is admittedly not that many, maybe 20-25), with plenty of deep runs get to the chop which usually ends up being about 3rd or 4th place money per person. That's not even including 2 or 3 times I've gotten a little something on the bubble.[/QUOTE]

That's decent but if you've played in say 20 of them at $70 per since you get the add on I'm sure that's $1400. You've cashed in 40% more or less. That's 8 times you've cashed. Here's where it gets tricky since you don't keep records. Let's say you got an average of 400 per. That's 3200 dollars. Not a tremendous ROI but respectable which only speaks to your ability. I believe you would do a lot better at a better structured tournament. Try keeping records of exactly what you're playing how much you cash so on and so forth.
I did just that and compared two sample sizes of 3 months each. I found at the better structured tournaments I had a better success rate almost by 25%.

I have experienced problems every day both seeing cocktail waitress
And getting an order ccompleted

There are a number of reasons, all worth exploring

The lengthy distance. Between the bar and wings and
The poker room make the waitress reluctant to do their jobs
And explains why orders made one day are completed the next
(There is a simple solution. They need a porter to help them carry numerous
Items over a long distance)

The waitresses have not been trained how to complete or settle a food order

The bar is not equipped for handling varied orders beyond beer.
Example, i ordered. Coffee and got sanka, apparently they do not even
Have access to a cofee brewer

None of the staff knows or has an interest in finding out when wings is open

These kinks can be worked out. Over time but for the moment
It is false advertising to tell folks they can. Get food when they can't half the time you try and no one cares enough to help

A 10-20 OE player put it the following way: there was no cocktail waitress to be found when they were playing and only persistance over
Several days got him a food voucher

I don't think he meant for you to resort to some sort of free-form poetry.

Well I'm closer to about $600 per cash but we don't need to derail this into an in-depth discussion of my results.

Again, I never claimed the Showboat tourneys are the pinnacle of structure awesomeness. I was just commenting on the people who says it sucks "even for a $70 tourney." Of course I prefer better structures. But I play mostly lower buy-in tourneys due to bankroll concerns and whats available on the days I'm able to play, and the Showboat structure is plenty good enough for me for the money I want to spend.

That said, I do plan to play one of the $25Ks at WWW/WSOP, probably this Saturday.

Rush,

You asked for it and I am going to give it to you. Parking is Free two ways. First if you earn 25 tier points you can simply swipe your card and get free parking at a kiosk right in the room. Also if you just ask at the front podium they will give you a voucher for free parking for the day.

If you are playing 1-2 no limit or higher and you give me 4 hours of play I will give you a free room sunday through Thursday if we are not at sold out status. I can not match cards just yet but that is next on my list.

So come on in and give us a try and see if we do not treat you better than any other poker room. That is our goal to treat our guests the way they should be treated.

Please stop in and see me and introduce yourself when you do come in as I like to meet all of my guests face to face.

Hope to see you soon :0)

ACDan

Ok Dan! Although you can tell by my posts I have some issues with CET I think you are a person of integrity and have always done nothing but right by me personally. I will come give you guys a try and hopefully we can develop this room into something wonderful. I know you are restricted by upper level management and hopefully you can persuade them to change their outlook on poker players vs people who play in the pits. Thanks for your continued efforts.

Here is the Structure for the 11AM 25K Guarantee

Level Minutes Ante Small Blind Big Blind
1 30 $25 $50
2 30 $50 $100
3 30 $75 $150
4 30 $100 $200
Break 10
5 30 $25 $150 $300
6 30 $50 $200 $400
7 30 $75 $300 $600
8 30 $75 $400 $800
Break 10 Color Up Green
9 30 $100 $500 $1,000
10 30 $100 $600 $1,200
11 30 $200 $800 $1,600
12 30 $200 $1,000 $2,000
Break 10
13 30 $300 $1,200 $2,400
14 30 $400 $1,500 $3,000
15 30 $400 $2,000 $4,000
16 30 $500 $3,000 $6,000
Break 10 Color Up Black
17 30 $500 $4,000 $8,000
18 30 $500 $5,000 $10,000
19 30 $1,000 $6,000 $12,000
20 30 $1,000 $8,000 $16,000
Break 10 Color Up Purple
21 30 $2,000 $10,000 $20,000
22 30 $3,000 $12,000 $24,000
23 30 $4,000 $15,000 $30,000
24 30 $5,000 $20,000 $40,000
Break 10 Color Up Purple
25 30 $5,000 $25,000 $50,000
26 30 $5,000 $30,000 $60,000
27 30 $10,000 $40,000 $80,000
28 30 $10,000 $50,000 $100,000
Break 10 Color Up Gray
29 30 $10,000 $60,000 $120,000
30 30 $10,000 $80,000 $160,000
31 30 $10,000 $100,000 $200,000
32+ 30 Tournament Directors Discretion

That is great Trench all I ask for is a chance to win a guests business by treating them the way I want to be treated. Yes we are working out some bugs as any new room does but we are moving along nicely.

Thank You and I look forward to seeing you.

Dan

Wow that structure looks great and its deep stacked

This is great news, thanks!

ACDan,

that is a great structure, but i would request a 30 minute dinner break at approximately 5:00pm

this is going to be a pretty long day if a lot of people show up to play with 30 minute blinds & 30,000 starting stack

I will definatley take a look and put a dinner break in for you guys.

AC DAN STATED:
Here is the Structure for the 11AM 25K Guarantee

Level Minutes Ante Small Blind Big Blind
1 30 $25 $50
2 30 $50 $100
3 30 $75 $150
4 30 $100 $200
Break 10
5 30 $25 $150 $300
6 30 $50 $200 $400
7 30 $75 $300 $600
8 30 $75 $400 $800
Break 10 Color Up Green
9 30 $100 $500 $1,000
10 30 $100 $600 $1,200
11 30 $200 $800 $1,600
12 30 $200 $1,000 $2,000
Break 10
13 30 $300 $1,200 $2,400
14 30 $400 $1,500 $3,000
15 30 $400 $2,000 $4,000
16 30 $500 $3,000 $6,000
Break 10 Color Up Black
17 30 $500 $4,000 $8,000
18 30 $500 $5,000 $10,000
19 30 $1,000 $6,000 $12,000
20 30 $1,000 $8,000 $16,000
Break 10 Color Up Purple
21 30 $2,000 $10,000 $20,000
22 30 $3,000 $12,000 $24,000
23 30 $4,000 $15,000 $30,000
24 30 $5,000 $20,000 $40,000
Break 10 Color Up Purple
25 30 $5,000 $25,000 $50,000
26 30 $5,000 $30,000 $60,000
27 30 $10,000 $40,000 $80,000
28 30 $10,000 $50,000 $100,000
Break 10 Color Up Gray
29 30 $10,000 $60,000 $120,000
30 30 $10,000 $80,000 $160,000
31 30 $10,000 $100,000 $200,000
32+ 30 Tournament Directors Discretion

Dan Thanks for the information. The structure certainly looks ok and it rivals the B.
I am a long-term Ballys (8 years) Tournament player with Showboat and Borgata and Bally lower limit cash game/tournament experience. I will definetly come back to my home turf(its been about 4 months) Ballys/WWW to check out the new room. We understand about the little problems getting it up and running,,,I just hope that CET will come to their senses and show some appreciation to all the poker players not just the high stakes people. Thanks again for the info and hope to see you down at the WWW very soon.
BTW
What happened to the horse betting room? Gone or moved? Like I said I havent been down in about 4 months?

Am I reading too much into it or does that mean the 7PM 25K Guarantee has a different structure??

Also, how long will late reg be for these? I take the bus from NYC so there's no way I can make it by 11AM.

Late registration will be for first 6 levels.

Yes the &PM will have a slightly different structure Almost as good just a little faster. I will post for you

7PM structure as requested

Level Minutes Ante Small Blind Big Blind
1 30 $25 $50
2 30 $50 $100
3 30 $75 $150
4 30 $100 $200
5 30 $25 $200 $400
Break 10
6 30 $50 $300 $600
7 30 $75 $400 $800
8 30 $100 $500 $1,000
9 30 $100 $600 $1,200
Break 10 Color Up Green
10 30 $200 $800 $1,600
11 30 $200 $1,000 $2,000
12 30 $400 $1,500 $3,000
13 30 $400 $2,000 $4,000
Break 10
14 30 $500 $3,000 $6,000
15 30 $500 $4,000 $8,000
Level Minutes Ante Small Blind Big Blind
16 30 $500 $5,000 $10,000
17 30 $1,000 $6,000 $12,000
Break 10 Color Up Purple
18 30 $1,000 $8,000 $16,000
19 30 $2,000 $10,000 $20,000
20 30 $4,000 $15,000 $30,000
21 30 $5,000 $20,000 $40,000
Break 10 Color Up Purple
22 30 $5,000 $25,000 $50,000
23 30 $5,000 $30,000 $60,000
24 30 $10,000 $40,000 $80,000
25 30 $10,000 $50,000 $100,000
Break 10 Color Up Gray
26 30 $10,000 $60,000 $120,000
27 30 $10,000 $80,000 $160,000
28 30 $10,000 $100,000 $200,000
29+ 30 Tournament Directors Discretion

So for the 7PM there are 3 levels removed from 11AM:

$25 $150 $300
$300 $1,200 $2,400
$3,000 $12,000 $24,000

These are running this Saturday right?

Dan, thanks for posting the structures. Looks good and glad to see there are antes. I really hope this takes off because this will be my go-to Saturday tourney from now on.

+1
fair statement dan
and hopefully you can start running some satellites to LV like harrahs did a few years ago

lol, you're talking about reading comprehension? I never said you said revel was in a bad location, I said it was in a bad location.

I hope you don't read flops as bad as you do posts...

ACDan:

Re: Free parking---ok, fair enough.

Re: Free rooms---comping rooms Sunday-Thursday is not something that's going to benefit a lot of players because Friday and Saturdays are your most requested days for rooms.

That said, I definitely appreciate you taking time out of your day to want to try and better your room and to please your players as much as you possibly can. I'm sure your hands are tied(for now) on several issues but hopefully in the near future they'll give you more leeway with the poker players.

I can't honestly say that I'm going to leave where I play now, but it's good to see another room thriving and I wish you the best.

Thanks.