Well I was OOP and I didn't want to c/c or c/f in the spot even tho c/f might be the best line. It was read based. I didn't think the K helped his hand, and I didnt think he had 2 pair or better before that...and if he did I had enough outs and some fold equity on middle 2 pair hands.

I dont think I played the hand all that great, besides deducing the situation on the river.

Yes I bet b/f the turn if he jams, but he super snap-called me, which ruled on any set or good 2 pair, which he would have taken a little time to at least think about raising. Plus, I dont think ANY two pair would shove the river for value - could be wrong...

how do u guys get money on bodog? i couldnt even get money on there before black friday.

also isnt AP shut down now? im playing on poker host hahaha they gave me 25 bucks for free, i hate that software, its so clumsy and cluttered, really miss stars right now.

I just use my Wells Fargo Checkcard to depost, and get paid out via check. A ton of other banks won't let u deposit though. Bodog isnt the greatest software, but the traffic is improving and the games are pretty loose. They also have a great sportsbook.
I'd xfer but they don't allow which blows.

last night I played the tourney (all of 3 hands), a short handed 3-5 must move before it broke and a short session in the main 3-5 game where I ran hotter than the sun and managed to once again put a bad beat on chilidog ... (though nowhere near as gross as last time)

Chili, on that 10-9 vs 10-7 hand...

1. If I bet the river (~80 ish) what do you do?
2. If you bet the river are you turning your hand into a bluff or are you betting for value? I think you're betting ~115 ish in that spot? What do you think I do?

it was a limped pot and i was in the big blind. i had the misfortune of flopping top 2 on the limper's flop of T75. i know bobby has a draw like he always does, but i didn't like your overcall. the 9 on the turn was a terrible card for my hand. i seriously thought about c/f the turn. but your bet sizing could have been like KT / QT / JT (picked up a straight draw).

i don't think i was gonna call another bet on the river unless i improved. but if you bet, i hadn't ruled out repping something big (flush completed on river.....) depending on your sizing.

would you have bet the flop if checked to you? would you have called my c/r?


btw-
after you left i played one of the sickest hands i've been involved in all year. i'm on the button and every person except 1 limps in ahead of me. i see 99 and limp along. 8 ways to see J95. pretty good stuff. sid fires into the world, bobby calls, everyone else folds, i call. turn is the T putting 4 spades out there. sid fires again from the blinds, bobby calls, i call.
river is the J filling me up. sid checks, and bobby insta-shoves for $455 into $220-ish.

hero?

Played at GW today... interesting spot

Villian: Nitty passive reg, have never seen him do anything too out of line, or make any big bluffs. 35yrs oldish.

Hero: none yet really

This is early in the session, no big pots or big showdowns.


1/2 NL (10 handed) Effective stacks $200

Villian limps in MP
Hero raises $8 w. 45
BTN calls, Villian calls

Flop ($20) 236

Villian checks
hero bets $13
BTN folds
Villain calls

I think this board texture connects pretty well with his limping range, lots of suited crap, small connects etc. Standard bet imo.

Turn ($46) J

Villian leads for $22
Hero tanks for 5 seconds then raises to $55
Villian asks how much I have left, (which was around $120) then calls

Raising the value and protection, I also want to get it in against his made hands before scare cards come. When he asks how much I have left I am tilting his range towards draws, like he's thinking of whatever perverted version of 'pot odds' live players subscribe to.

River ($158): A

Villian checks

I have around $120 in my stack so any river bet sizing needs to be very thoughtfull. Once the club hit my plan was to most likely fold to a shove or any bet above $80, he didnt bet but kinda insta-checked.

Shove?
Bet-fold?
Check?

This is pretty close one just wanted everyone's thoughts.

Chili-
I think you have to fold. very seldom a 3-5 reg shoves with lonely nutflush(100%-EV as you are never getting called by worse). Although that is a very likely line for 55, I think thats the only hand (besides a wacko bluff) you give him credit for that you can beat. I don't know that is a tough fold though. What happened and what was your thought process?

David-
Bet-folding is obv a terrible if you are going to bet $80 and fold for $40 into a would-be $350 pot.
Checking is pretty weak imo - even though he might be nitty I think you shove for thin value here.

**However, I think there is logical argument for checking. 1) is the obv reason, he very likely was on a draw and you don't wanna get snapped. 2)It makes you look easily bluffable if you check the winner and he has something like a set or good 2 pair where you may get paid off....setting you up for bluffcatching later.

Im guessing you shoved for value...

with the A clubs showing up and his line of c/c then leading, to me, weighs his ranges towards more hands like 2 pairs and sets he butchered. just doesnt seem logical for a loose passive guy to play his non nut flush draw passive on flop then when a non scare card hits he leads.

we should most def. be betting for value here, i dont think a shove calls, how he leads 1/2 then the whole speech before calling 55 OTT, im betting 70ish and obv calling any shove.

but i guess this might change depending on who Vil is since there are some who we know will only show up flushes here.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...l#post26720748

see thread in LLSNL:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-full-1040948/

my thoughts:
three way pot to the river. bobby is in the middle, and nobody has really shown that much strength in the hand yet. a shove is kinda confusing then, yeah?

if it's for value, he has a greater chance of getting paid off with a ~pot sized bet. if it's a bluff, he doesn't need to risk that much. if he has 5s full, which is really the only value hand i can beat, i really see him betting in the $150ish range. and i can't see him turning the A into a bluff here now that the board has paired.

there are three straight flushes possible and bobby could have limped with any of those hands. KQ, 78, Q8 are all in his range. as are J9 and JT. obv these are very limited combos, but based on the action i think we need to highly consider some outlying combos.

holy sht. so went late sunday evening and only NL game running was 1/2 40 max. there was a 2/2 board and people wanting to play it but still floor wouldnt run it. so i played it for a lil and what a horrible game. it plays almost like 2/4. i think i played less then an hour, got back to even then bailed.

i dont understand floors decision on this. people wanted to play 2/2 but they wouldnt run it. Im starting to think its not worth it that they raised the max BI for 2/2 if they want to run the 1/2 game before that.

Dude, I don't blame you, why would they bring back that game, PLUS enforce a max buy-in of $40? It is sooo player unfriendly and obviously very rake-friendly. I refuse to play it...I can believe no 2/2 game was running and the fact they wouldn't start one is ridiculous (although they probably didn't want to break the very profitable 1/2 game).
My suggestion - Go the the 4/8 limit game(Kill) and sharpen your limit skills. For me, it helps my NL game and the players are generally very weak.

Any of you guys wanna go 50/50 on a DC subscription?

who won the wsop ME seat on saturday?

idk, sht i need to ask the housekeeping guy at my wprk. dude is a MTT beast there hahaha, he plays 2/4 like the biggest donkey but srs he takes down MTTs like nothing else. he must be on a very crazy heater right now or this dude knows something no one else knows.

anyways my bad luck in the AM continues. I get in VS peanut on a AK10 board, peanut shoves into me on a blank turn, i snap with AQ vs his A4, obv 4 on river. lost 300. i dont know why i play 3/5 in the morning. the players arent very strong just super tight with a few loose players but i cant seem to make any kind of run.

**** it, late new years resolution, no more 3/5 before 4 PM.

been playing 2/4 more. if 4/8 is the same as 2/4 as everyone says then maybe ill try it. ive changed a few things i do in 2/4 and seems like maybe its a worked a little, on a 4 session win streak but most sessions are a hour or less and my biggest win has been 30 bucks .

i would like to play o8 but that rarely runs past 3 pm or something now.

take a break!

im on a forced break now. gonna start my work week again plus this weekend ismy daughters bday plus going whitewater rafting. not sure when im gonna go again tbh. cant wait til july, thts when my schedule opens up , get to play more in evenings.

oh well.

Donde esta toda la gente hoy? No hay nadie aqui.

NO MONEY IN GWC, EVERYONE'S SOLID :P

[crickets]

tell adam he's scared of me. haha. he and i terrorized the action 2/2nl game the other night. fernando was drinking heavily and in rare form. i think he was at about 85-90% vpip. i won a nice pot after raising with T7hh and flopping a flush. i won a 4 way all in on the turn and my hand held. wow. also won a 3 bet pre pot with 9 high when i bluffed the river and showed. the board was all broadways....haha.

well went friday night and it was packed once again, looks like GWC is coming back strong. Started off my 2/2 session kinda bad, lost a few decent size hands the worst being a guy shoving over my raise cause he was tired i was rasiing so much. i had 1010 flopped a set, he had A9 turned 2 pair then rivered a fullhouse. ugh. the lost another decent hand AK<88.

after that i kept the aggression up and ended the night winning an 800 pot vs a decent reg. he bets 10 MP, kinda small from what hes been doing, 1 caller, i have 43dd from BTN and i 3 bet to 50. He calls.

flop K K 2 2 diamonds, he checks and i check back.
turn K K 2 8 i think but flush completes, he checks again i bet like 70, he reraises to 140 or something. i tank then shove it in for the rest. he calls, river bricks i win. I think he might have had AK there. Hes a good player though, one guy I def. have to pay attention too somewhat.

Funny story- guess the same guy who beat my 1010 with A9 owed this one asian reg M some money from a bet made a year ago. it was a 100 bet. M comes over and calls him a bitch and other players call him a bitch for renegging on the bet. hahah.

villain: unknown, no reads early on in the session...

folds to me ($800, I cover) in the hijack, I make it standard 20, vill calls on BTN, Bill M calls in BB

flop (~$55) 667r

Bill checks, I bet 40, vill calls, Bill folds

turn ($135) 10c, bringing 2 clubs to the board. I check, vill bets $65. Seems like a weird bet to me for some reason...IDK why but I'm putting villain on 88-99 type of hand I make it $215 thinking vill must fold, leaving Vill w/ ~260 behind. Vill agonizes, calls after a 2-3 min tank.

River ($565) Jc ... I shove...

thoughts?

any input at all appreciated