Skip to the end of the thread and go backwards, it's sure to be in one of the first few pages.

Yeah i usualy read the most recent 20 pages or so

Right now im reading p80 which is from 2011. Kind of interesting how things have changed and restaurant recomendations

I reread the most recent thread and rob ur right its on like the very last page of the thread

A couple people address it and im still not exactly how it impacts the game. But Most people seem to think talking stick is the better game.

I guess i should prolly druve the extra distance and start driving up there

Front door brag.... Im crushing the game at whp but my sample size is ridiculously small, ive only played 90 hrs. Lol. 40 hrs at ts and 50 at whp

Well i answered my own question

State of the game on a tues morning..

Went to whp at 11 am and there were only 3 games going. None of em were spr limit. It was a dark depressing ghost town

So i left and went to talk stick

1 game of 3/5 and they were starting a 3rd table of 2/3

Tbc

I took some brutal beats (flopped a boat vs quads) and other crap nobody cares to hear about.

And only managed to lose 29 bux. But the important thing is that i learned the games are def better at talk stick. Not just bc whp was dead but ts just plays bigger.

Plus u dont have to walk threw cigarette smoke to take a leak

His may be true if you are a black jack player. It its wildly untrue for some poker players

OK. How do you know that the other room would be run better? IMO, Gila River is run horribly but I sometimes go there for their SINGLE 8-16 LHE game which starts in the afternoon most days. OR I can go to TS where there are multiple games that start at 10am. If a new room opens it splits the pool even more and a lot of us are going to be sitting around waiting/not being able to switch tables, etc.

For myself, I think TS is pretty good and when I think something needs to be addressed I talk to management. Here's an example: The biggest source of confusion in the kill pot games is that the dealers often forgot to place the leg-up button properly and very often a player would have it in front of them, dealer says 'Kill pot', player says they didn't win the last hand, there are 9 witnesses and a professional dealer and nobody can remember who won the last hand for sure, the game's delayed, blah, blah. So I spoke to a manager and requested that they PLEASE bring this up at the next dealer meeting and now I notice that the dealers are better at moving the button.

I suggest stepping back a minute and thinking about it: Are there enough customers to support a big increase in supply? I don't think so and that's bad for everybody that wants to play higher than 4-8 limit or in larger tourney fields.

Competition is almost always going to be better for consumers, I don't think poker's different.

Las Vegas has the most competitive gaming market in the world and I don't think it's hurt the games there. 10 years ago there were 8-16+ limit games in many locations across town but as the demand for these games dried up, the games converged until they were all at Bellagio. But I don't see how the situation there would have been better if the Bellagio was always the only legal place to play. They'd still have all the games but wouldn't have the threat of another casino taking them away to incentive them to hire competent staff, keep the room comfortable, rake low, etc.

What I mean is if there is only enough demand to sustain 1 game at some given limit here, then 1 location will end up with that game anyway. But the threat of someone else stealing the game should incentive the casino to keep the player base happy.

Also, the location of the new casino is a lot closer for anyone living in the west side of town and recreational players in that area will play more because they have to travel less time. So the overall player base in the area is increased because the guy living in El Mirage who used to drive to CAZ once a month now plays once a week at the new place, the guy in Sun City who used to play once a week at CAZ now plays every day at the new spot, and the guy living next to the new casino who never has gambled before checks if out and becomes a poker player.

Well said. Thank you!

Vegas isn't a good comparison to the valley because of the travel time you mentioned. When all spots on the strip are ~5 minute drive differences if you live off strip, you go to where the game is. If they are 45 minute drive apart, you will usually go to which one is closest, not necessarily the one you prefer.

I don't think the Valley has a big enough market to have multiple locations with 20-40+ so the only CAZ game that might get weakened is the 8-16. For 4-8, west valley people were already closer to vee quiva.

But the 8-16 game will still go at CAZ, so I don't see how it will be a big problem for people. You can only play 1 game at once. I guess the average wait time might increase slightly to get into the game but I think the net time saved for all the people who now have a shorter commute will be greater than the decrease for those who now have a slightly longer wait.

Yes, but if there are players who will play 8/16 but don't mind staying closer to home to play 4/8 80% of the time, that weakens that game.

Same thing with 20/40. I know there are players who play the Gila River 8/16 who would likely play mainly the 20/40 at CAZ if it was the only option. But instead they show up and play the Gila River 8/16 religiously.

I only know of one person who plays the wild horse 8-16 regularly but would play higher if available. I figured he was just a lazy exception but if there are others then I can see how that would hurt the games.

People may play different games. Maybe a 20-40 reg becomes a 3-5 spread player becusse it's a 5 minute drive. Or maybe somebody goes off at bj takes becusse it's right next to their house instead of making drive to the poker room (and then going off at bj only sometimes). There are other things as wel, but basically pope is right.

So are u saying that u want CAZ to be the only option for poker in Phoenix area?

Not sure this has been covered elsewhere, but two days ago, AZCentral did say there would be poker tables at "Tohono O'odham North."

Not sure if thats a good thing

What's the law re the max bet? ..CAZ has 1k max bj but only 500 max poker??

currently, in Arizona no poker bet or raise may be larger than 500.

i know two people going to work there and both have said , no poker at least in the near future, certainly not when they open in December, word is maybe a year out.

That's probably a good thing

No mention of a poker room in this press release. Hopefully they complete that phase of the opening process sooner rather than later.

http://www.yourwestvalley.com/glenda...39254d0a9.html

I've been hearing that the Arizona max bet is now 650 for any single bet on anything - but you can use that betting limit on only so many tables, whether poker or blackjack, pai gow, or whatever.

And according to my informant, TSR is using their 650 "limit" on BJ/other games rather than poker.

Any truth to this?

I can believe they would move it up incrementally instead of going straight from 500 to 1000, but that is such an awkward amount to bet at BJ needing multiple denom of chips.

TSR has 1k bj in the high limit room.