A 20/40 player didn't believe me when I said it was unenforceable a few weeks ago. I brought the floor over to verify and create a possible one time angle shooter.

Has anyone played any of the WSOP satellites at Harrah's Ak-Chin?
http://www.harrahsakchin.com/casinos...er-detail.html

Just wanted to see if there was any info on structure or number of seats awarded

Considering the buy-ins, they're probably crapshoots

Curious what others thoughts are on the BBJ increase... I know for most its not a big deal because it doesn't hit as often on the mixed or NL games for that matter but having the poker room packed has good and bad things in my book.

Took me 52 minutes to get a seat at 3/5 or 2/3 on Wed at 3pm... Place was packed!

I might move to the area soon and was wondering how prevalent 1/2 - 2/5 nl are in and around phoenix? I didn't realize there were a lot of games around phoenix I figured I'd have to drive to Vegas to find a good poker game once every few months but this may make my decision to move easier

2/3 at CAZ runs everyday and I'd imagine the good player to mediocre player to clueless player ratio runs, respectively, 1:3:5.

And maybe that's too generous

You will always find games at Talking Stick Resort (TSR),sometimes referred to as CAZ for Casino Arizona, but TSR is the accurate name. The games at TSR and any other Casino in Arizona are Spread limit games, not NL and are played with limit rules ( 3 raise max, an all in raise of half or more reopens). There is a cap on the amount that can bet bet at $500, this is per bet or raise and is NOT a pot size cap. So you can bet 500, someone can raise 500 etc.( 300 in the 2/3 game)
the structures at TSR are
2/3 spread 3-300 BI 100min/300 max
3/5 spread 5-500 BI 300min/500max
5/10 spread 10-500 BI 300min/2500 max
10/20 spread 20-500 BI 1000min/no max

There is numerous low limit 3/6 4/8 Holdem games a 4/8 Omaha ( or two) and several 8/16 holdem an 8/16 omaha and at least one or two 20/40 Holdem games that go daily,and most of the time a 40/80 game of some form, usually a mix of some sort.

Have they changed the buy-in cap on 3-5 spread recently? The last time I was up there (been about a month) the max buy-in was 1K, unless they let me get away with violating the cap.

The max is 1K, but I saw someone buy in for 1K, pay a blind, and buy another 1K without anyone saying anything. I wasn't playing in the game at the time, so I ignored it...

I got a little ahead of myself in my post, the max buyin for the 3/5 game IS $1000.00
Corrected:
If a dealer allowed a player to overbuy that can cause a LOT of issues, if you are in a game and see it happen, stop it.

What if your the guy with $2000 , guy sits down buys in for $1000 and then adds a $1000, a few hands later he stacks you. Someone then mentions the fact that he over bought...
Of course nobody here is going to get stacked off that easily but you understand the premise.

Thats surprising as its usually pretty obvious if someone is doing that... since average people are buying in at 500 that would stand out... I guess I wasn't at that table..

I haven't seen the massive overbuy at 3-5, but at the 5-10 game it seems to be pretty routine for players to add on extra purple chips after the game has been running a while.

looks like the glendale casino may be in jeopardy.http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/mainhe...pcFvpJk.mailto

heh

Hope so.

Hope not, a Glendale casino would be great for CAZ players. Competition is always better. It probably won't even have poker, but if it does it's unlikely to affect CAZ greatly since its going to open up poker in the west valley to a whole new group of new players. And some of those new players are going to also play at CAZ, ESP. If they want to play 20-40+.

I was at a CAZ e-craps table today. Besides being awful to play (and irrational in its betting rules/limits), comps were listed as 0.2 cents for every $100 wagered. More gambling options means better service, better comps, more options.

I dunno. The competition from Gila and the Ft hasn't got the rake down nor the comps up.

Exactly. There are only 2 options and they are both so geographically remote they offer little competition. Glendale alone won't be a game changer; but it will be a start.

I laugh every time the chairwoman of the Salt River tribe is quoted as saying all the tribes agreed not to build any closer to Phoenix, as if it was a community service. In reality they monopolistically agreed not to compete, so they could spread games with bigger house edges, and take fuller advantage of gamblers.

I always laugh when they say time pots are illegal, or that they can't give free drinks, etc. when they are the ones who write the rules for the gambling commission. What we need is a legalized poker room structure, and more casinos, so the cost of gambling (and some of its negative effects) will decline.

When is this bill supposed to go to the Senate?

Gila River Wild Horse Pass updated 6/23

Removed: 5-250 spread limit

Added: 3-300 spread limit, 100-500 buyin
5-500 spread limit, 300-1000 buyin

Wow thats great news. Will be by this weekend to see how the action is!

Regardless of the law, why would the poker room management be against time pots anyway? They still would get the same amount of money.

It's just that time pots are unenforceable.The casino can't get in the business of enforcing your side-bet.

pm me if u have a home game in az that is accepting new players.

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Well where I play in Atlantic City the house is not involved in enforcing them either, and we still have time pots with almost never any problems.

I guess I just don't understand what was said earlier then; does CAZ actually not allow time pots? If they are allowed, are they ever done at the 20/40 game?

At CAZ the "time" pot is a gentleman's agreement between the players that 1 person will give up the collection that is due prior to the first hand being dealt.
It is understood that player will be repaid by the first player to win a hand that gets to the next "street"..I.E the Flop in holdem or Omaha, 4th street in stud, first draw in draw games etc. The dealer will not/cannot remove the collection amount from the pot at any time to be given to the "owed" player. The dealer can push the pot to the winner, the winner pays the collection back.

The house/dealer has no responsibility other than to have the collection that is due placed next to the drop slot before the hand begins.

Procedurally, the dealer should use the term "collection" , can use the term "time" or "time up" but should not say "Time Pot".

Sometimes a player( or several) do not want to participate in this type of collection procedure and will pay their own time; they are not bound by the "agreement" between the other players.

20/40 players at CAZ pay their own time almost without fail.

I only played in the game once, but I was suprised that no one did time pots that day, they are almost always done in the 20/40 game in AC.
I wonder why they aren't popular at CAZ?